10-25-2013, 05:51 PM
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Ben
Join Date: Jan 2004
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I've been reading this thread for a few days now.
Here's the conclusion I've come to based on what has been posted here:
Rerun requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Until that time he believes Harper is innocent until proven guilty (which is ironic for two reasons: (1) bevause of his belief of defence attorneys and their role in the criminal justice system; (2) he doesn't hold anyone other than Harper to this standard such as Duffy or Wright). The double standard is what is making every other poster pull their hair out.
Secondly, everyone else is holding Harper to a balance of probabilities standard. Since this is the standard Rerun is holding everyone BUT Harper, posters are getting frustrated.
If Rerun wants to hold Harper to a criminal standard that's perfectly fine, and his Harper defences are perfectly valid. They are. Period. There isn't any hard evidence put forward.
On a balance of probabilities it is really hard to believe that Harper wasn't involved when everyone around him was, especially given the death grip control he has on the party.
Two different standards, pick one and go with it. But if you go with beyond a reasonable doubt, given what was posted in this thread so far, Duffy is innocent.
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10-25-2013, 08:46 PM
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Had an idea!
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Well I think Harper is lying too. But what happens if its proven that he did something wrong? Is there an election, or what?
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10-25-2013, 08:52 PM
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Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Azure
Well I think Harper is lying too. But what happens if its proven that he did something wrong? Is there an election, or what?
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CPC leadership. At that point they elect Kim Campbell and prepare to get slaughtered.
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10-25-2013, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
Well I think Harper is lying too. But what happens if its proven that he did something wrong? Is there an election, or what?
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Since the Conservatives have a majority government, in theory he could continue governing as if nothing happened unless his own party turns against him (unless he's guilty of a criminal act, which it doesn't appear that he is).
Depending on the severity of the scandal and the extent of Harper's involvement, there may be calls for him to voluntarily step down "for the good of the party" and allow the CPC plenty of time to elect a new leader prior to the 2015 election.
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10-25-2013, 09:29 PM
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Had an idea!
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If he steps down, who is PM? Either way he is in power till the election unless he is committed a criminal act.
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10-25-2013, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
If he steps down, who is PM? Either way he is in power till the election unless he is committed a criminal act.
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The CPC would select an interim leader who will become PM until the election (like Kim Campbell after Mulroney and John Turner after Trudeau). The smart money would be on either Jason Kenney or Jim Flaherty taking the party leadership post-Harper.
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10-26-2013, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Slava
CPC leadership. At that point they elect Kim Campbell and prepare to get slaughtered.
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They bring in Rerun.
You won't find a better and more loyal CPC supporter 
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10-26-2013, 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Slava
CPC leadership. At that point they elect Kim Campbell and prepare to get slaughtered.
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Oh man this is hilarious. I laughed hard.
Since the years have passed though I think Kim Campbell wasn't as bad as the press painted her. I've seen her on TV a couple of times and she's a smart lady but maybe not a great politician.
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10-26-2013, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Slava
CPC leadership. At that point they elect Kim Campbell and prepare to get slaughtered.
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Time to get rid of the Senate or Lords and drop the Queen at the same time.
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10-28-2013, 12:35 PM
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Thinking more about this...
Literally the first thing I was taught when I took a course in crisis management is that you should always come clean and accept responsibility. The public is far more likely to be forgiving if you take ownership for your misdeeds than they are if you're caught trying to cover them up. Surely every senior staffer in the PMO (and Harper himself) must know this.
So why did Wright et al. go to the trouble of the $90,000 cheque? Once it was publicly revealed that the senators had been abusing their expense accounts, why not just make them pay the money back? If Duffy didn't have $90k available immediately, couldn't the government have garnished his wages over several months/years until his debt had been repaid (with interest) instead of Wright giving -- or loaning? -- him the money outright? What am I missing here?
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10-28-2013, 01:44 PM
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It just gets better. Now Harper and Wright paid for Duffy's legal bills! (At least that is the latest allegation from Duffy in the Senate). He claims that CPC lawyer Arthur Hamilton issued a cheque to his lawyer. Duffy claims that the funds may have come from the CPC itself, but he isn't able to prove that point.
He also tabled some other materials today in the Senate, although not the string of emails. It doesn't look much better for Harper though at this point. If there was another cheque, that's bad. If the source of funds there are the CPC though that has to be outrageous to the CPC membership.
Last edited by Slava; 10-28-2013 at 02:16 PM.
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10-28-2013, 01:51 PM
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Norm!
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I don't like this scandal one bit, but I don't necessarily believe Duffy either, until he tables something concrete to me he's just protecting his salary.
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10-28-2013, 01:52 PM
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Too bad you can't prorogue the senate!
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10-28-2013, 02:01 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2004
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This is turning into quite the scandal.
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10-28-2013, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
I don't like this scandal one bit, but I don't necessarily believe Duffy either, until he tables something concrete to me he's just protecting his salary.
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I think Duffy is shady, but there is no honour among thieves! He was appointed by Harper (who seemingly changes his story daily as well). As a watcher though, its fantastic. Everyday there are new allegations and new information. Of course none of that new information is good for the CPC, Harper or Duffy. Its a disaster!
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10-28-2013, 02:05 PM
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Time for Chretien to fly into Ottawa and finish Harper off with the Shawinigan handshake!
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10-28-2013, 02:17 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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The letter that would've accompanied the $13,500 cheque is all over twitter, although I don't know how to embed that. Looks legit though.
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10-28-2013, 02:20 PM
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“It is with great regret that I have accepted the resignation of Nigel Wright as my Chief of Staff. I accept that Nigel believed he was acting in the public interest, but I understand the decision he has taken to resign. I want to thank Nigel for his tremendous contribution to our Government over the past two and a half years."
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http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2013/05/19/....AAL7L5ym.dpuf
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"I think the responsibility whenever things go wrong is for us to take appropriate action,” Mr. Harper told News 95.7 Halifax.
“As you know I had a chief of staff who made an inappropriate payment to Mr. Duffy. He was dismissed.”
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle15115879/
It's amazing he actually thinks anyone outside the most committed CPCers (i.e. Rerun) will believe anything he has to say anymore. The CPC is cooked and has no even remotely good leadership candidates in the wings. Party is in huge trouble.
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