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Old 09-11-2013, 10:51 AM   #61
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I will apologize to Valo403 for my statement. I should have said "Some lawyers." I know not every lawyer is an ambulance chasing scum bag. I am related to a couple lawyers that avoided the whole criminal defense side of law because their conscious couldn't let them. And I am sure their are a ton out that that wouldn't as well.

However, bringing up the fact that I inquired about legal help, in a very ambiguous way, is pretty damn irresponsible thing, for a lawyer to do on a public forum. There are a lot of assumptions that could be made with a statement like that.
I'll apologize for that and edit the comment, but honestly your comment was way over the line, and it's not the first time.

For clarity, nothing pylon asked me for help with reflected poorly on him, in fact it was the complete opposite.
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Old 09-11-2013, 12:17 PM   #62
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So in that CNN video, at the end, the reporter says he still plans to plead guilty at a later date. Essentially the lawyers wanted him to get a different judge.. not sure why.
Perhaps he is trying to own up to his mistake and also spend the least time in jail as possible? Dunno.

I guarantee in a couple years time this thread will be bumped because he will be applying for early parole.
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Old 09-11-2013, 12:45 PM   #63
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What is stupid about owing up to a selfish, stupid mistake that cost someone their life? I was really hoping this guy would have used his plight, to send out a powerful and responsible message to young people.

Does it bother you that if people do the right thing, lawyers might lose valuable work? God knows how much lawyers love drunk drivers, and irresponsible morons. They provide a great stream of income. The worse the tragedy the better, right?
Oh wow.. someone is looking for a fight right there. Seriously though, lawyers are people no different from you and I. There are lawyers who may have questionable ethics but there are a ton of lawyers who have good ethics. You can say that with any profession (there are always bad apples).

To make a generic statement like that is idiotic and just waiting to be flamed.
And yes, on behalf of all my lawyer family and friends who do their job like you or I, go pound sand... LOL
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Old 09-18-2013, 10:08 AM   #64
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He plead guilty according to CNN.
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I don't really care what his intentions were in making the video or any of the legal reasoning behind the initial not-guilty plea. He's a scumbag and I hope he gets the maximum prison term possible.
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Old 10-23-2013, 05:50 PM   #66
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He got 6.5 years in jail...

http://www.theprovince.com/news/year...276/story.html

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Franklin County Judge David Fais sentenced 22-year-old Matthew Cordle on Wednesday to six years for aggravated vehicular homicide and six months for driving under the influence of alcohol. He also revoked his driving privileges for life as required by state law.


Cordle had faced up to 8-1/2 years for killing Vincent Canzani in a June 22 crash. He had been on his way home after a night of drinking at bars near downtown Columbus.
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:13 PM   #67
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Impaired causing death sentences are B.S. Should be much longer.
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Old 10-24-2013, 06:30 AM   #68
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it's worse in Canada. A friend of ours was driving, drunk driver hit her head on. Killed her sister, left our friend in horrible shape. She'll be in serious pain the rest of her life. A child seat saved her son, he only broke his leg. He got 2 years. Sickening.
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Impaired causing death sentences are B.S. Should be much longer.
why?

Just asking, not to suggest everyone should get one get out of jail free card but I'm not sure society is best served by locking up guys who are unlikely to reoffend for the long term. I guess you do need to provide some disincentive for people so they don't think they can get away with it once. I guess it comes down to whether you believe him of not.

We always complain on this forum how suspensions in the NHL seem to be more based on the results of the dirty hit rather then based on how dirty the hit itself is, is this somewhat the same?

I know a couple people who are EACH on DUI number 4, combined they have served less then 1 month in jail and as far as I know both got their divers license back within a year of their last incident, that to me is bat**** ****ing crazy. At some point you should never be allowed to drive again every for any reason.
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why?

Just asking, not to suggest everyone should get one get out of jail free card but I'm not sure society is best served by locking up guys who are unlikely to reoffend for the long term. I guess you do need to provide some disincentive for people so they don't think they can get away with it once. I guess it comes down to whether you believe him of not.

We always complain on this forum how suspensions in the NHL seem to be more based on the results of the dirty hit rather then based on how dirty the hit itself is, is this somewhat the same?

I know a couple people who are EACH on DUI number 4, combined they have served less then 1 month in jail and as far as I know both got their divers license back within a year of their last incident, that to me is bat**** ****ing crazy. At some point you should never be allowed to drive again every for any reason.
You're absolutely right. We should just let people off with vehicular manslaughter due to the fact that they aren't that likely to kill anyone a second time.

The average person gets caught for the first time after driving drunk eight times. I read that in Chris Jericho's book so it has to be true.

The laws should be zero tolerance for driving with anything more than minimal amounts of alcohol in your bloodstream. Eventually, we'll get there. Have a look at the link below; I was impressed with the law in Brazil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk_driving_law
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Old 10-24-2013, 11:19 PM   #71
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Where did he say let them off?

I think the penalty for killing someone while drinking and driving is low but is it that much lower than other murder convictions?

Seems a lot of murder sentences are this long or shorter.
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You're absolutely right. We should just let people off with vehicular manslaughter due to the fact that they aren't that likely to kill anyone a second time.

The average person gets caught for the first time after driving drunk eight times. I read that in Chris Jericho's book so it has to be true.

The laws should be zero tolerance for driving with anything more than minimal amounts of alcohol in your bloodstream. Eventually, we'll get there. Have a look at the link below; I was impressed with the law in Brazil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk_driving_law
Why is drunk driving so much worse than other manslaughter?? Because of commercials and social sigma?

Is not malicious, it's carelessness. I'm not sure society is served by long term incarceration. It would not likely affect either incidence or recurrence, so what is the benefit?
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Why is drunk driving so much worse than other manslaughter?? Because of commercials and social sigma?

Is not malicious, it's carelessness. I'm not sure society is served by long term incarceration. It would not likely affect either incidence or recurrence, so what is the benefit?
Drunk driving is worse because of how preventable it is and how it kills random people rather the people involved in the situation.

For example if two guys getvin a bar fight and one dies that isnt as bad because they participated in the nar fight. Driving home and killing some random person is far worth because you killed an innocent person. Its also why I have little sympathy when a passenger of a drunk driver dies as that peron made the same poor decision as the driver.

I think the bolded section is why its worse. Its such a blatent disregard for the rest of society done for no reason. At least with other murder there is a purpose. Drunk Driving is just such a waste of life.

Its also a crime that stiffer sentances may reduce incidents as all you need to do is make drniking and driving more inconvenient than the alternatives to reduce it. Increasing the risk should help with that. This would need to be looked at as it certainly isnt true for other major crimes.

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why?

Just asking, not to suggest everyone should get one get out of jail free card but I'm not sure society is best served by locking up guys who are unlikely to reoffend for the long term. I guess you do need to provide some disincentive for people so they don't think they can get away with it once. I guess it comes down to whether you believe him of not.
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I know a couple people who are EACH on DUI number 4, combined they have served less then 1 month in jail and as far as I know both got their divers license back within a year of their last incident, that to me is bat**** ****ing crazy. At some point you should never be allowed to drive again every for any reason.
For me, it depends on previous criminal history. If someone has racked up 4 DUI's in 15 years, then kills someone while drunk, they should be facing at least 10 years in jail. However, if it is first offense, and depending on what their background is like (are they a good person, contributed to the community, etc), I could forgive someone if they were legitimately remorseful. Everyone makes mistakes. Not saying it is right, but the sentance should be dramatically reduced for someone who owns up to his/her bad deeds, and tries to better society in order to prevent it from happening again.

As for the dude in this case, hard to tell. He asked for the maximum prison time (which was 8.5 years), and received 6.5 years. Did he appeal, or inform his lawyers he was not going to contest the 8.5, or was it up to the judge's discretion, and he has no say in the time he will serve in a correctional centre?
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Why is drunk driving so much worse than other manslaughter?? Because of commercials and social sigma?

Is not malicious, it's carelessness. I'm not sure society is served by long term incarceration. It would not likely affect either incidence or recurrence, so what is the benefit?
I will never ever agree to that. Its not carelessness. Carelessness is a tragic event that happens due to not paying attention while doing something dangerous. Drunk driving is all about making a decision to get into your vehicle and driving even though you know you shouldn't because

A) There are enough public service messages out there educating people about drunk driving and its penalties and its costs to society and individuals

B) You know its highly illegal, yet you ignore that to drive anyways (Not you you Street but you know)

C) You (again not you Street) know that you are putting your life and others at risk yet you do it anyways.

Look I don't buy the argument of diminished capacity due to alcohol, frankly because alcohol doesn't mess you up right away, you know your getting drunk after the second beer, and maybe at that point when your ordering the third beer you should be looking at a safe right home. The argument that I thought I was ok doesn't wash, nor does I couldn't find a cab so I said screw it, nor does any excuse, because there is no excuse.

While it might not be malicious, its certainly not careless and it falls in between the two around the whole screw it I just don't care about anyone around me, nor the laws out there, I'm gonna drive anyways.

To me its no different then manslaughter, and in some ways could be considered worse because you (again not you) made a decision to endanger others in a incapacitated state.

I'm fine with long sentences because after all the money spent on public service ads and the such people still say screw it and drive anyways, and where education doesn't work, then deterrence has to step in to provide a harsh lesson to those who are out at the bar drinking that the courts mean business, in other words making examples out of people to encourage others.

I would be fine with shorter sentences if they were meaningful. For example in exchange for a year in jail, you're bused into morgues every time there's a drunk driving fatality to clean off the bodies and help get them ready for burial. Or you have to work with people critically injured by drunk drivers to help them face their sometimes brutalized day to day life.

If you hurt or killed someone

On top of that, part of your parole is you have to wear a bit bright I was a drunk driver and I killed someone, I'm sorry T-Shirt from the hours of 5 at night until you go to bed. That way if you go anywhere that alcohol is served, everyone knows what the price is.

On top of that during your parole you not only have to speak at at least one school, you have to video tape a public service message, and if you killed someone you have to admit it during that public service message.

Oh I firmly believe in the three strike rule for drunk drivers.

Strike one DUI a heavy fine and a license suspension of at least a year

Strike two a heavier fine and a license suspension of 5 years

Strike three a one year jail term with the above listed conditions and a lifetime suspension

Oh and if your caught driving a car while under suspension. Seisure of said vehicle a massive fine ($50-100,000) and 5 years in prison.

This drunk driving thing has to stop, its a un-neccessary and selfish crime. Daniel Tsettier or whatever his name is should still be in prison in my mind.
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