[PGT] Flames @ Coyotes. Flames lose 4-2

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not a big fan of the pro-Ramo crowd and their agenda. Anyone that says MacDonald was the difference clearly didn't watch the game as the Flames didn't even have a legit scoring opportunity until the 2nd half of the game. I don't see how you can fault a goaltender for a team not even generating offense for half a game. Granted that's by design of the Coyotes but you can't fault your goaltender because your forwards couldn't fight through the neutral zone.

Didn't watch the game? I was at the game (and thus got way better perspective on how he played)

I have no pro-Ramo agenda - wtf are you even talking about?

Also, the Flames actually had lots of zone play but a bunch of shots from the point were blocked or tipped wide. Credit the Yotes, but the effort and the chances were there.

[GreenLantern2814]

Good effort in general. Hate watching Phoenix play. Colborne's goal was pretty. On to Dallas.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Anduril

MacDonald lost sight of the puck on the 1st goal, no more needs to be said. The 3rd one was definitely a beautiful play by the 'Yotes. I don't know if you could blame MacDonald much for that one. Can't remember what the 2nd one was like though.

There are so many on this forum who think Macdonald is a good goalie because of his diving saves that he has no business making. He forces himself into making these highlight reel saves with his TERRIBLE positioning all the time. He's always going down early and doesn't have the athleticism to get over in time. If he can't get a lucky paddle on the puck it's an easy empty net goal. This happens several times per game.

NHL goalies need to be against the post and push off across to the other post when necessary. When Mac is 5 feet out of his crease, all he can do is flop to the other side of the net. Other teams will realize his major flaw soon if they haven't already and it'll be open season.

Macdonald is a joke, plain and simple. There's a reason he's never been a starter in the NHL, he doesn't have much talent. He can scramble and make stops, but never confidently and never consistently.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This pro-Ramo crowd and their agenda is getting tiring. Anyone that says MacDonald was the difference clearly didn't watch the game as the Flames didn't even have a legit scoring opportunity until the 2nd half of the game. I don't see how you can fault a goaltender for a team not even generating offense for half a game. Granted that's by design of the Coyotes but you can't fault your goaltender because your forwards couldn't fight through the neutral zone.

Typically, when a road team is on it's 3rd game in 4 nights and the 2nd of back-to-backs, it's going to be a boring game and an ugly win. The strategy of a tired road team is usually to try and keep it close and be opportunisitc. I feel the team as a whole did a good job in this regard.

I am comforted in the fact that any team, especially an underdog team like the Flames, is going to be hard pressed to come out on top in these situations. It's just frustrating to know that 2 bad goals was the difference this time.

[Enoch Root]

I thought Baertschi and Russell also had good games last night.

Nothing was working for Cammmalleri, but it wasn't from a lack of effort.

Galiardi is always skating hard.

[hummdeedoo]

Originally Posted by old-fart

Didn't help that Joey was brutal. He was so far out of position on the first goal it was basically an empty net. If Ramo plays that game, we probably get a point.

Actually if you look at the replay he was in good position for the shot from the point. There is an excellent screen in front and he loses sight of the puck when it gets passed back to the Coyote forward. He's not in a good position for the sharp angle shot. Not his fault that he can't see through the screen (Maybe Wideman should be moving this guy out?). The guy who is really out of position is Butler - He should be cutting off the pass back to the forward.

Third goal: McD is square up on the shooter - just were he should be. Ribero is completely unchecked - The winger on that side (looks like Glencross) should be down low checking Ribero.

Originally Posted by old-fart

If Ramo plays that game, we probably get a point

Looking at the replays- I would say your assertion is wrong. On the goals that were scored against Mcd none were because of horrible goaltending - his team mates let him down. Agreed what other are saying about McD's rebound control (it's not great).

[Coach]

I think Mac was OK yesterday. But just his style seems flustered and panicky. Lots of out of control rebounds. It would be tough to have confidence in him as a player I think and I thought Ramo looked much more sturdy and composed.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I think Mac was OK yesterday. But just his style seems flustered and panicky. Lots of out of control rebounds. It would be tough to have confidence in him as a player I think and I thought Ramo looked much more sturdy and composed.

It's really easy to have confidence in Mac's style as a player simply because you know he's going to battle and never give up on a play. He had more success than any backup in the last ten years last season, even after Kiprusoff came back.

He's a scrappy dude who doesn't have an excess of talent. In a year when we expect the team to lose a bunch of games, it's very important to have a goalie that they want to play hard for.

[Tinordi]

I hope it was just nerves with Breen last night because he looked frickin awful.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It's really easy to have confidence in Mac's style as a player simply because you know he's going to battle and never give up on a play. He had more success than any backup in the last ten years last season, even after Kiprusoff came back.

He's a scrappy dude who doesn't have an excess of talent. In a year when we expect the team to lose a bunch of games, it's very important to have a goalie that they want to play hard for.

I get the scrappy attitude and work ethic angle, but from my (defenseman's) perspective I would find it frustrating how often I have to collapse in front of Mac and fight for the puck/position because he can never seem to find/hold onto it. Just my opinion. I would give Ramo 5 or 6 games in a row now. And honestly, I was pretty perplexed by following up Ramo's great game against the Kings with Mac. I get the back to back but it's not like Ramo has played a whole bunch to be tired, and didn't Mac play 2 games back to back earlier in the year following a loss? Just doesn't make sense to me.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I get the scrappy attitude and work ethic angle, but from my (defenseman's) perspective I would find it frustrating how often I have to collapse in front of Mac and fight for the puck/position because he can never seem to find/hold onto it. Just my opinion. I would give Ramo 5 or 6 games in a row now. And honestly, I was pretty perplexed by following up Ramo's great game against the Kings with Mac. I get the back to back but it's not like Ramo has played a whole bunch to be tired, and didn't Mac play 2 games back to back earlier in the year following a loss? Just doesn't make sense to me.

Yup.

He does a couple things that cause fits for defensemen:

1) he has no rebound control - but more than this, he has a habit of sending rebounds into the slot. This is really difficult for defensemen because it causes them to turn their back to the person they are covering.

2) he is terrible handling the puck, which wold be okay if he just stayed in his net. But he goes and gets the puck and then shoots it past the defenseman. Of course, bedlam ensues. I think there have been 3 goals already that have directly resulted from him coughing up the puck.

When defensemen don't know what the goalie is going to do with the puck, they have no choice but to stop. Like with the rebound control, instant advantage to the opposing forwards.

[Drury18]

Ramo to start tomorrow in Dallas:

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Bob Hartley has announced @RamoKarri will get the start tomorrow in Dallas.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I hope it was just nerves with Breen last night because he looked frickin awful.

Maybe, but any time I have watched him he has looked awful. Admittedly that's only been like a dozen times but he always looks a step behind.

Hopefully he can improve a lot because obviously his size is something we can really use.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yup.

He does a couple things that cause fits for defensemen:

1) he has no rebound control - but more than this, he has a habit of sending rebounds into the slot. This is really difficult for defensemen because it causes them to turn their back to the person they are covering.

2) he is terrible handling the puck, which wold be okay if he just stayed in his net. But he goes and gets the puck and then shoots it past the defenseman. Of course, bedlam ensues. I think there have been 3 goals already that have directly resulted from him coughing up the puck.

When defensemen don't know what the goalie is going to do with the puck, they have no choice but to stop. Like with the rebound control, instant advantage to the opposing forwards.

It's simple. Puck goes behind the net as long as a flame would be first to get it. Otherwise, freeze it. It's not rocket surgery

[wired]

Why was joey mac playing? He really is not that good.

[red sky]

The plan before the LA game was that Ramo would play the first game and MacDonald would play in Phoenix. They were sticking to the original plan.

[AC]

GIFs of the game:

[Flash Walken]

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[OzSome]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I hope it was just nerves with Breen last night because he looked frickin awful.

First game...also coming back from the injury. I am not judging the guy on his first game. Maybe 5 or more games I can say what I think. The guy is huge and if he is that good like some people say, then it's great. I think I saw him played on TV in Abby last season but not the whole game. Maybe he'll be better next game or maybe not. I just hope he gets his chance.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

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