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Bertuzzied · 10-23-2013, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

He's never denied knowing that Duffy cheated. Duffy admitted to Harper that he did... well actually he didn't admit he cheated (and to this day he still doesn't) but Harper knew he did. Harper just denies knowing that Wright gave Duffy the $90,000 to pay back what he stole. Wright says he never told Harper and I believe him.

Just because Duffy is a liar and a thief doesn't automatically make Harper one.

Well this is why this thread has been resurrected. Duffy has an email trail saying Harper knew all along. It hasn't been released yet but when his lawyer is saying he has this, he prob does.

So does that change your opinion of Harper? prob not since you can't accept the fact that Trudeau is pretty much guaranteed to be the next PM, but it should.

Ark2 · 10-23-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacks

Regardless, I hope it is a major issue and the senate gets a much needed enema. From what I've heard Trudeau wants to keep the senate in place pretty much as is so I guess you are expecting a Mulcair victory. Another Liberal senator is in the news today (if you look hard) for abusing his position so it's not exactly a one party problem.

Trudeau will come out and change his stance on the Senate once he realizes how popular Senate reform/abolition is. He will probably say that his feelings on changing the Senate actually originated decade ago during some ski trip

calumniate · 10-23-2013, 10:54 AM

This is crazy! If he were part of a mob he'd be dead by now. I wouldn't be surprised if he spilled the beans about Rob Ford. He's on such a roll.. the Edward Snowden of Canada

JobHopper · 10-23-2013, 10:57 AM

The real losers here are the taxpayers...again.

Bertuzzied · 10-23-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by calumniate

This is crazy! If he were part of a mob he'd be dead by now. I wouldn't be surprised if he spilled the beans about Rob Ford. He's on such a roll.. the Edward Snowden of Canada

I wouldn't be surprised if Harper sent in Snail Team 6 to pop his ass!

Rerun · 10-23-2013, 10:58 AM

I guess the bottom line of this discussion is whether you believe Stephen Harper is a liar. You may not like his politics and his opinions but do you believe he is a dishonest person?

I don't. I think Harper is an honest man. There are many people that are or were in politics that I believe to be honest.... Jack Layton, Paul Martin, Stephan Dion, and Joe Clark for examples.

There are many who I think are out and out liars... Brian Mulroney, Jean Chretien, and Pierre Trudeau for examples.

Until I see incontrovertible proof of Harper's dishonesty, I will believe him and continue to support him.

Ark2 · 10-23-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JobHopper

The real losers here are the taxpayers...again.

How?

Rerun · 10-23-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Well this is why this thread has been resurrected. Duffy has an email trail saying Harper knew all along. It hasn't been released yet but when his lawyer is saying he has this, he prob does.

So does that change your opinion of Harper? prob not since you can't accept the fact that Trudeau is pretty much guaranteed to be the next PM, but it should.

I can write an e-mail saying you're a child molester. Doesn't make it true though.

Edit: I would take what a defense lawyer says about something being true, with a grain of salt. A defense lawyers job is to represent his client to the best of his abilities. Truth if irrelevant.

Senator Clay Davis · 10-23-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

I guess the bottom line of this discussion is whether you believe Stephen Harper is a liar. You may not like his politics and his opinions but do you believe he is a dishonest person?

I don't. I think Harper is an honest man. There are many people that are or were in politics that I believe to be honest.... Jack Layton, Paul Martin, Stephan Dion, and Joe Clark for examples.

There are many who I think are out and out liars... Brian Mulroney, Jean Chretien, and Pierre Trudeau for examples.

Until I see incontrovertible proof of Harper's dishonesty, I will believe him and continue to support him.

Nice to know that while he might not be a liar, having a terrible judge of character is perfectly acceptable. Sure he might continue to nominate incomptent, inept, immoral, law breaking people to positions of power, but he himself is not a liar, so its all good.

Bertuzzied · 10-23-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

I guess the bottom line of this discussion is whether you believe Stephen Harper is a liar. You may not like his politics and his opinions but do you believe he is a dishonest person?

I don't. I think Harper is an honest man. There are many people that are or were in politics that I believe to be honest.... Jack Layton, Paul Martin, Stephan Dion, and Joe Clark for examples.

There are many who I think are out and out liars... Brian Mulroney, Jean Chretien, and Pierre Trudeau for examples.

Until I see incontrovertible proof of Harper's dishonesty, I will believe him and continue to support him.

How can anyone trust Harper when Rob Fricking Anders is still part of his caucus and he bends over backwards to keep him there.

I guess Harper's kids could have logged into his email account and replied back to Duffy's lawyer and Nigel Wright.....

Bertuzzied · 10-23-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

I can write an e-mail saying you're a child molester. Doesn't make it true though.

hahhahaa.that is some kinda argument you have going there. Are you from civiccamp.net?

Ark2 · 10-23-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

I guess Harper's kids could have logged into his email account and replied back to Duffy's lawyer and Nigel Wright.....

Maybe wait to see what the email says before posting this kind of nonsense?

JobHopper · 10-23-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ark2

How?

Seriously? I know there is a lot going on here but it sounds like Mike Duffy was claiming expenses for a place he already owned. He should have rented a place rather than just his own because it's a conflict of interest.

Would be like the mayor or councillor awarding a contract to a company they owned.

Bertuzzied · 10-23-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ark2

Maybe wait to see what the email says before posting this kind of nonsense?

Why? I'll just deny i ever typed it. I'll just use the Rerun excuse.

JobHopper · 10-23-2013, 11:09 AM

Taxpayers a tired of this crap. I think everyone should get an exemption from paying taxes for at least a year and let the governments learn how to manage money and cut waste.

Rerun · 10-23-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Why? I'll just deny i ever typed it. I'll just use the Rerun excuse.

Lets wait and see what the e-mails say before we string Harper up on the yardarm.

Truth: We know Duffy is a liar.
Truth: Defense lawyers stretch, twist, or ignore the truth all the time in order to best represent their client.

Why should I believe Duffy and his lawyer?

Rerun · 10-23-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Nice to know that while he might not be a liar, having a terrible judge of character is perfectly acceptable. Sure he might continue to nominate incomptent, inept, immoral, law breaking people to positions of power, but he himself is not a liar, so its all good.

Do you know for a fact that Harper knew Duffy on a personal basis... so well in fact that he was able to judge his character?

Before all this crap happened, by all accounts, Duffy was a well respected media personality who was a known Conservative supporter.

I can see why Harper appointed him to the Senate at the time. Who would have thought he was an expense count cheat? I guess the next time they choose a new Senator they will be calling his or her current or former employer and asking the big question. Does he cheat on his expenses?

Senator Clay Davis · 10-23-2013, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

Do you know for a fact that Harper knew Duffy on a personal basis... so well in fact that he was able to judge his character?

Before all this crap happened, by all accounts, Duffy was a well respected media personality who was a known Conservative supporter.

I can see why Harper appointed him to the Senate at the time. Who would have thought he was an expense count cheat? I guess the next time they choose a new Senator they will be calling his or her current or former employer and asking the big question. Does he cheat on his expenses?

And the other two losers he appointed? Just keep burying your head in the sand Rerun, it'll be better for you when reality finally comes crashing down.

John Doe · 10-23-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

Lets wait and see what the e-mails say before we string Harper up on the yardarm.

Truth: We know Duffy is a liar.
Truth: Defense lawyers stretch, twist, or ignore the truth all the time in order to best represent their client.

Why should I believe Duffy and his lawyer?

How do we know Duffy is a liar? What specifically do we have proof that he lied about?

Bertuzzied · 10-23-2013, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by John Doe

How do we know Duffy is a liar?

Because Harpz said so!