Sean FRICKIN Monahan

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

Thanked your post, but who is Mahonen? Do you have runaway autocorrect?

Maybe he meant Mahoney.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Miniac

Seriously, why make such a big deal out of this? The kid just lost an edge... Its not like Crosby went full Datsyukian on MacKinnon.

Miniac.... lighten up a bit ok? Nothing bad was meant my posting of the vid.
Crosby just schooled him a bit.

[AC]

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

Thanked your post, but who is Mahonen? Do you have runaway autocorrect?

It's because of this:
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...en#post4195758

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Mackinnon was drafted #1. Was that because he was the best player in the draft or because he had the advantage of playing on the Memorial Cup champion Halifax Mooseheads which has a win % of 88.2?

I'm confident NHL scouts factor these kinds of things into their assessments of players. Speed, acceleration, hands, shot, agility, puck pursuit, vison, power, puck protection, intensity. These things are assessed independently of how many points a player gets and how many games his team wins.

[squiggs96]

Prior to the draft, there were rumours the Flames offered their 1st three picks to Colorado, in exchange for the #1 overall pick, presumably to draft MacKinnon. At the time, I was hoping Colorado would take it, as it sounded like MacKinnon was a cut above everyone else in the draft. The downfall was we needed to continue to rebuild our depth, and only getting one first rounder instead of three wouldn't help that at all.

Based on what has happened since then, would you rather have MacKinnon or Monahan, Poirier and Klimchuk? I'm happy with how it turned out, but I wonder how we would be reacting to games if it was MacKinnon out there with Sven and Jiri instead of Sean.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Mahonen's intermission interview left me a bit puzzled.

No canned bs responses, no big unwarranted grin. Calmly and firmly talked about what they needed to do and how they needed to do it. Perhaps unaware, he challenged his teammates and talked with the authority of someone intent on following through (and pushing his teammates to do the same).

I was puzzled, because as he walked away, I noticed he wasn't wearing the 'C'. I could have sworn I was listening to a hybrid of E. Staal and Joe Sakic, detailing the demands they would place on their teammates.

Goddamn, Monahan is awesome.

Vid of said interview?

[edslunch]

The good new is McKinnon doesn't need to be bad for Monahan to be great. And it's waaay to early to draw conclusions. Let's check back in 5-10 years to see which was truly the better player.

[Caged Great]

I would take Poirier, Klimchuk and Monahan. It looks like we might have hit 3 home runs.

Talent with depth wins championships. Talent alone makes you Edmonton.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I'm confident NHL scouts factor these kinds of things into their assessments of players. Speed, acceleration, hands, shot, agility, puck pursuit, vison, power, puck protection, intensity. These things are assessed independently of how many points a player gets and how many games his team wins.

If that were true and it was such an exact science, every scout would have the same rankings for all players. Also, having quality teammates will always help showcase a player.... and vice versa.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I would take Poirier, Klimchuk and Monahan. It looks like we might have hit 3 home runs.

Talent with depth wins championships. Talent alone makes you Edmonton.

Talent without development or accountability makes you a team of individuals

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Prior to the draft, there were rumours the Flames offered their 1st three picks to Colorado, in exchange for the #1 overall pick, presumably to draft MacKinnon. At the time, I was hoping Colorado would take it, as it sounded like MacKinnon was a cut above everyone else in the draft. The downfall was we needed to continue to rebuild our depth, and only getting one first rounder instead of three wouldn't help that at all.

Based on what has happened since then, would you rather have MacKinnon or Monahan, Poirier and Klimchuk? I'm happy with how it turned out, but I wonder how we would be reacting to games if it was MacKinnon out there with Sven and Jiri instead of Sean.

I was one of the posters that wanted Feaster to do everything in his power to get the 1st over-all. I also wanted one of Lindholm, Nurse or Nichushkin if we had kept the #6.

Boy have I ever changed my mind.

So to answer your question, without a doubt in my mind Monahan + Poirier + Klimchuk >>>>>>>>> McKinnon

[Buff]

Does it matter who turns out to be the best player between Monahan and MacKinnon? As long as Monahan keeps developing into the player he is showing he will be then it doesn't matter because we got a great player.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Talent without development or accountability makes you a team of individuals

I actually am starting to feel bad for Oilers fans. They sucked for so long, and their management has still managed to screw it up. I didn't even know it was possible to get 3 #1 picks in a row and still be just as bad afterwards as you were before you had your first #1.

The only other time a team had 3 #1s in a row from what I can recall was the Nordiques and they managed to get the foundation of their team from those picks. Oddly enough they dealt all 3 for other key pieces down the road to set their team up for those awesome Avalanche years.

[vicarious]

From what little I've seen of MacKinnon, he is an extremely dynamic super skilled player, incredible speed and a fierce competitor. I can see him developing into a Crosby-lite.

Monahan is more of a cross between Toews and Getzlaf. Hi IQ, always right place, right time, sound defensively but I don't really see that flair that MacKinnon has.

Just from what I've seen it's hard to draw parallels since their styles are so different even though they play the same position but they are both incredibly gifted.

Just my 2 cents.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Buff

Does it matter who turns out to be the best player between Monahan and MacKinnon? As long as Monahan keeps developing into the player he is showing he will be then it doesn't matter because we got a great player.

Well yes it matters because if we want to win the Stanley Cup one day, we want to have the best collection of players in the NHL. If Colorado's #1 centre is better than ours, chances are, they're more likely to win the Cup than us.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I actually am starting to feel bad for Oilers fans. They sucked for so long, and their management has still managed to screw it up. I didn't even know it was possible to get 3 #1 picks in a row and still be just as bad afterwards as you were before you had your first #1.

The only other time a team had 3 #1s in a row from what I can recall was the Nordiques and they managed to get the foundation of their team from those picks. Oddly enough they dealt all 3 for other key pieces down the road to set their team up for those awesome Avalanche years.

I cannot feel sorry for a fanbase that is best known for its desire to suck, with such gems as:

fall for Hall
and fail for Nail

the hockey gods must hate them, and the fans deserve nothing more than continued failure (injuries excluded)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Well yes it matters because if we want to win the Stanley Cup one day, we want to have the best collection of players in the NHL. If Colorado's #1 centre is better than ours, chances are, they're more likely to win the Cup than us.

This is just wrong - it is a team game

If I remember correctly, the Penguins have not won the cup every year since 06

[indes]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Well yes it matters because if we want to win the Stanley Cup one day, we want to have the best collection of players in the NHL. If Colorado's #1 centre is better than ours, chances are, they're more likely to win the Cup than us.

Boston vs Penguins last year. You can't tell me Krejci + Bergeron are better than Crosby and Malkin.

Like the post above it's a lot more about being a team than having superstars

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Well yes it matters because if we want to win the Stanley Cup one day, we want to have the best collection of players in the NHL. If Colorado's #1 centre is better than ours, chances are, they're more likely to win the Cup than us.

Sidney Crosby is the best centreman in the world and I think everyone would agree he is better than Jonathan Toews. They both have lead their teams to Stanley Cups and they're styles are about as different as mackinnon's is from Monahan. If the avalanche end up with the next Sidney Crosby and the flames end up with the next Jonathan toews, I'll be more than happy for my flames. I know that neither of these rookies are likely to hit that high of a ceiling but those are the players that scouts compared each of them to at the draft.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This is just wrong - it is a team game

If I remember correctly, the Penguins have not won the cup every year since 06

Originally Posted by indes

Boston vs Penguins last year. You can't tell me Krejci + Bergeron are better than Crosby and Malkin.

Like the post above it's a lot more about being a team than having superstars

Sure, I'll agree to an extent.

I think Pittsburgh is made up of just two superstar players with a lot of meh players surrounding them.

Boston might not have better centres than Pittsburgh, but in my opinion, every one of the Bruins' defencemen and and goalies are better than anything Pittsburgh has.

I'll agree though, a better built team will take you a lot farther than a couple of stars.