Sean FRICKIN Monahan

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Krack Korn

Monahan has been astonishing so far. After every game I think, ok that's nice but it can't last, he's going to hit a wall soon. The kid just keeps proving me wrong. I hope I'm still saying the same thing 20, 30, 40, 50 games from now.

He's being given more and more responsibility and ice time every game and he hasn't disappointed. To top it off, his maturity is exactly what you like to see in a rookie who will be a corner piece to the franchise.

And, somehow... Monahan, baertschi, and Brodie are all able to act like professionals when they score these big goals... No "bow-and-arrow" celebrations or hand sliding on the ice or sliding across the rink like the bone heads to the north.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by neo45

Mackinnon is much stronger on the puck than Monahan. Has more speed to his game too. Those are the only two categories that he is noticeably better


As for hockey IQ it is just way too early to make a judgement on that

It's not really too early. That IQ/hockey sense is something you either have or you don't. It can be improved on a bit, but generally there are guys that just know where to be on the ice to make an impact at either end of the rink and those who're kind of just with the rest. Monahan clearly has this in spades. That is a large factor for his 6 goals so far.

I haven't watched enough of MacKinnon, but many experts going into the draft pegged Monahan as having the best two-way game of the draft and up with the best for hockey IQ.

MacKinnon has very desirable aspects to his game. And I think he'll be more dominant. But I think Monahan will be more responsible, and will have big strengths all around, just based on what I've seen so far. He won't need to dangle through a whole team's defense to make a pretty play happen, because he'll swoop in or muscle his way to exactly where the puck is going to go to pop it in. That's the smarts making up for whatever little bit he lacks in top-end skills compared to the guys drafted above him. And that IQ is already paying off.

[Samiz]

If the dude is getting 21 minutes of ice time as a rookie, and actually does well, then he's obviously ready for the NHL. I'll be pretty upset if they decide to send him down because I think his development will progress much faster in the NHL than in the OHL

[Kobasew7]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Watched enough MacKinnon on what team and in what league, on what line?

MacKinnon is a great talent but people on here acting like Monahan isnt even close to better are just speaking off their jr careers and numbers / highlights.

I think we will look back at the 13/14/15 drafts and MacKinnon, Ekblad and McDavid/Day wont be the best players. Just my gut feeling.. You always have amazing players in every draft and theres just as good a chance the top pick doenst become the top player as there is a chance that some 2nd/3rd/4th rounder + (ala Weber) develops more post draft than the top rated players did pre-draft. In my opinion the Oilers best player is Eberle and he wasnt a 1st overall. He plays better than their 1st picks on a nightly basis.

People love buying hype...not saying MacKinnon is hype but I am shocked people are already calling him a generational talent and the best player of the draft, the flames gm's would take him for Monahan in a trade etc...you guys put way too much stock in junior career. And this comes from a BIG MacKinnon/Drouin fan.

I loved watching them play and they are young stars but who knows who will be or is better suited to the NHL game.

I hardly, if ever post anymore, usually a lurker at best. But this post, specifically the bold/underlined portion slightly bugs me. McDavid is special, while "anything can happen", if things stay status quo, he's very special. Crosby special. And considering the Flames realistic outlook this, and the next couple years, there is a solid shot at us (GOD willing, please!!!!) getting McDavid.

So please keep that in mind before we go overboard and start proclaiming Sean as Connor McDavid quality here, and this is coming from a guy who has a Monahan jersey on the way, not hating on Sean at all, he's amazing too... but McDavid is on another level.

[Poe969]

Best pick of the draft so far

[expatflame]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Curtis Zupke ‏@curtiszupke 1m Darryl Sutter on Sean Monahan: "He reminds me of my brother Brent at that age.”

Interestingly, he scored 21 goals and 22 assists in 43 games (1981-82). Wonder if Monahan could break that?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

It's not that crazy. Monahan was dubbed a potential first overall guy for the 2013 draft but the year following up to it he played on an abysmal junior team and MacKinnon played with another potential top pick.

MacKinnon vs Jones were slam dunks to fight for the #1 overall for three years, Monahan was ranked as high as third.

[Caged Great]

I don't think Monahan's game will fall off the face of the earth. He just thinks the game so well that he knows where to go on the ice to be successful. That goal tonight was emblematic of that. He didn't make a great play on it to deke the goalie out, just that he was in the exact right place that he needed to be in order to score if the rebound came available and he was there. You've seen that with most of his goals and assists. Just knowing where he or the puck needed to go in order for a scoring chance.

His hockey IQ is elite, even though the rest of his skills are not quite there. He still needs to get stronger on the puck as an example.

Also, if this keeps up, there is no way that we will be picking McDavid after this season. If you add Gaudreau, Poirier and Klimchuk to this lineup (which isn't out of line for their play to this point this year), the Flames could very well make the playoffs next season. I have to give major props to the scouting staff, they have found several very good players. This is the reason why I was giving rave reviews back in July. These guys are just damn good.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

MacKinnon is a great talent but people on here acting like Monahan isnt even close to better are just speaking off their jr careers and numbers / highlights.

Who is acting like it isn't even close? Saying that you think MacKinnon is the better player isn't saying it isn't close.

In my opinion the Oilers best player is Eberle and he wasnt a 1st overall. He plays better than their 1st picks on a nightly basis.

You must not watch many Oiler games this year as Eberle has been outplayed by a lot by Hall and RNH this season and last year Hall was definitely the better player. I understand that many on CP love Eberle but he definitely has not outplayed Hall and only outplayed RNH because he was hurt for so much last year.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Monahan's IQ and 2-way game > MacKinnon's.

MacKinnon will undoubtedly produce higher totals at his peak, but I think Monahan will be more instrumental to the team winning with his 200 ft game.

So, as crazy as it seems, I would rather have #23. (though I may eat crow in a couple seasons)

Living in Halifax I've seen many Moosehead games, and MacKinnon back checks like a beast. He is very good defensively, it'll just take a while for him to adjust to everything. Monahan is good, but he doesn't touch MacKinnon.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Sean Monahan has as many or more career goals as a Flame as (among many others):

Wayne Primeau, Ian White, Todd Simpson, Rob Ramage, Martin St. Louis, Daniel Tkaczuk, TJ Brodie, Roman Horak, Brian McGrattan, Chris Butler, Paul Byron, Derek Smith, and Lance Bouma.

[Gary83]

Monahan obviously isn't heading back to junior.

Unless the Flames hit a pretty big wall/dropoff I will be very surprised if he's lent out for the WJC's.

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Sean Monahan has as many or more career goals as a Flame as (among many others):

Wayne Primeau, Ian White, Todd Simpson, Rob Ramage, Martin St, Louis, Daniel Tkaczuk, TJ Brodie, Roman Horak, Brian McGrattan, Chris Butler, Paul Byron, Derek Smith, and Lance Bouma.

That's just crazy.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by FusionX

That's just crazy.

It is, but all of the players mentioned had a small sample size with the Flames of course. As has Monahan.

[PeteLFan]

Lol Darryl knew what he was saying there. Brent left a bitter taste in Calgary, and Darryl knew what he was doing.

Brent was a good hockey player though, hopefully Sean is more like a toews though for this day and age.

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

It is, but all of the players mentioned had a small sample size with the Flames of course. As has Monahan.

The small sample size is a big part of why I thought that was crazy, considering the kind of player he is now and has been for the last decade or so. But won't bother going down that "what-if" road again and will instead just enjoy the Monahan show!

Most impressive thing to me is his ability to be in the right places at the right time. Some may come about as luck but 6 goals 8 games in? That's no luck.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I don't think Monahan's game will fall off the face of the earth. He just thinks the game so well that he knows where to go on the ice to be successful. That goal tonight was emblematic of that. He didn't make a great play on it to deke the goalie out, just that he was in the exact right place that he needed to be in order to score if the rebound came available and he was there. You've seen that with most of his goals and assists. Just knowing where he or the puck needed to go in order for a scoring chance.

Looking at Monahan´s goals all have been great setups or him getting second chances so I´d think his game will cool off when his line cools off. I don´t think his linemates are getting nearly as much credit as they should especially Hudler who is having the best start of his career. But he definitely seems to be in the right place at the right time and has great scoring touch. Hockey IQ of the charts.

[boogerz]

Monahan's season is currently the 10th best goal scoring season of all-time using adjusted stats (pro-rated and adjusted to compare across eras). Is there anything this kid cannot do? Crosby better back the Fata up

http://www.hockey-reference.com/lead...ed_season.html

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by boogerz

Monahan's season is currently the 10th best goal scoring season of all-time using adjusted stats (pro-rated and adjusted to compare across eras). Is there anything this kid cannot do? Crosby better back the Fata up

http://www.hockey-reference.com/lead...ed_season.html

Kinda silly statistic to compare an 8 game streak extrapolated to a whole year vs players who have kept it up. The fact that 7 of the top 10 are from this year shows it pretty clearly

[GreenLantern]

I am in love with Sean Monahan and I don't care who knows it.