Glencross new whipping boy

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It's so rare to hear a professional athlete - even a former one -speak honestly and candidly about what goes on behind the scenes that Warrener is bound to upset some people. Me, I think it's great. I don't need the delusion of a bunch of super guys who are great friends and always trying their best for the team in order to find NHL hockey engaging.

Agreed.

But Warrener wasn't in the room when they picked the captain.

Pretty brutal speculation if you ask me - especially when they made the decision last year.

They never played any seasons together, by the way

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It's so rare to hear a professional athlete - even a former one -speak honestly and candidly about what goes on behind the scenes that Warrener is bound to upset some people. Me, I think it's great. I don't need the delusion of a bunch of super guys who are great friends and always trying their best for the team in order to find NHL hockey engaging.

Rhett was purely speculating that Glencross was "pouting" because he was not given the C. In reality, Rhett knows no more than you or I. I know first hand that the Flames players are not happy with the way Rhett has talked about the organization and its players since joining the Fan. They aren't leaking information to him.

Rhett is using his past credentials as a Flame to defend his speculation. I have zero respect for him. Calling out every single bright spot this team has.

I mean, ####, the guy called out Gaudreau last spring, calling him a coward and that he was afraid to join the NHL. It's a joke.

[SuperMatt18]

I take what Rhett says with a grain of salt now. Any connections he had to the locker room are now long gone, really no players that he would have played with and had a relationship with are on the roster anymore.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Agreed.

But Warrener wasn't in the room when they picked the captain.

Pretty brutal speculation if you ask me - especially when they made the decision last year.

They never played any seasons together, by the way

I'm not talking about this specific instance. I'm talking about his insight as a former player and the candid remarks he makes in general.

[Enoch Root]

which I agreed with, and then made another point

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

IMO a lot of you have it wrong....I think he cares a ton and is trying his arse off. We all know a guy like that....when he puts too much pressure on himself everything flips on it's head. Gripping the stick, playing out of the comfort zone trying to make things happen, trying things out of the skill set.

Then he gets pissed at himself and wears his emotions on his sleeve so everyone thinks he's pouting.

Just my opinion but that's the way I see it...maybe its just because I have seen it happen to a couple amazing guys over the years...hell it even happens with 9 to fivers.

I completely agree. And I feel once Stajan comes back Glencross will start playing "his" game again, if not sooner. Stajan plays a simple game and in turn the rest of his linemates play a simpler more effective game.

I'm not worried about Glencross. Once he relaxes and just plays, he'll be fine

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I'm not talking about this specific instance. I'm talking about his insight as a former player and the candid remarks he makes in general.

I'd rather listen to Warner's insight than Boomers, or any other sports writers. Warner has "creds". The others just "think" they know. He's been there done that.

[jeffman]

Warrener has lost all credibility as an inside source IMO. With the departure of Iggy and Kipper, no players remain from when he was a flame

[Enoch Root]

Giordano, but nonetheless...

[Tinordi]

It seems many of the people who don't like Warrener is because he doesn't blow smoke up the Flames organization's ass all the time. He'll be critical of the organization. I like that breath of fresh air in local media to a point. As long as you're being professional about it, the team and organization should be open to criticism when it's warranted.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

It seems many of the people who don't like Warrener is because he doesn't blow smoke up the Flames organization's ass all the time. He'll be critical of the organization. I like that breath of fresh air in local media to a point. As long as you're being professional about it, the team and organization should be open to criticism when it's warranted.

Criticism is one thing, random speculation doesn't make any sense.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

It seems many of the people who don't like Warrener is because he doesn't blow smoke up the Flames organization's ass all the time. He'll be critical of the organization. I like that breath of fresh air in local media to a point. As long as you're being professional about it, the team and organization should be open to criticism when it's warranted.

Okay, but instead of saying nice things all the time, he says mostly bad things. He makes up rumours about Gaudreau being afraid to jump to the NHL, about Glencross being upset he's not captain. He doesn't back it up. All he has to do to defend himself is say that he played with the Flames at one point in the last 6 years.

You go to any other Canadian city and their radio shows are much more positive regarding their team than Calgary. You get sick of Warreners schtick.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Criticism is one thing, random speculation doesn't make any sense.

We don't know if it's in fact random speculation. He may have spoken to someone within the organization that tipped him and he's not making it out to be more just to keep Glencross from looking bad. I would find it difficult for him to just come up with that without hearing whispers.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Okay, but instead of saying nice things all the time, he says mostly bad things. He makes up rumours about Gaudreau being afraid to jump to the NHL, about Glencross being upset he's not captain. He doesn't back it up. All he has to do to defend himself is say that he played with the Flames at one point in the last 6 years.

You go to any other Canadian city and their radio shows are much more positive regarding their team than Calgary. You get sick of Warreners schtick.

Well there's the difference between you and I. I'd rather a professional but critical thinking media environment where you would like a media environment like in Edmonton where Oilers cannot be criticized.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

It seems many of the people who don't like Warrener is because he doesn't blow smoke up the Flames organization's ass all the time. He'll be critical of the organization. I like that breath of fresh air in local media to a point. As long as you're being professional about it, the team and organization should be open to criticism when it's warranted.

Disagree.

I thoroughly enjoy critical views.

That is completely different than random speculation though.

I like Warrener by the way.

And thanks for telling us all how and why we think the way we do.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

We don't know if it's in fact random speculation. He may have spoken to someone within the organization that tipped him and he's not making it out to be more just to keep Glencross from looking bad. I would find it difficult for him to just come up with that without hearing whispers.

Excellent - let's support the random speculation with more random speculation!

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Excellent - let's support the random speculation with more random speculation!

Of course. Isn't this Calgary Puck? Did I log into another site by mistake?

[jwags]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

IMO a lot of you have it wrong....I think he cares a ton and is trying his arse off. We all know a guy like that....when he puts too much pressure on himself everything flips on it's head. Gripping the stick, playing out of the comfort zone trying to make things happen, trying things out of the skill set.

Then he gets pissed at himself and wears his emotions on his sleeve so everyone thinks he's pouting.

Just my opinion but that's the way I see it...maybe its just because I have seen it happen to a couple amazing guys over the years...hell it even happens with 9 to fivers.

I think people think he's pouting because he doesn't channel his work ethic properly when things don't go right for him. When he gets hit hard, takes a bad penalty, or doesn't score on an easy chance he will smack his stick on the ice or chase the ref around for 30 seconds with his arms up. He seriously needs to suck it up and just say, "look this shift didn't go the way I wanted it to, I'm going to just improve next time." He needs more focus and control over his emotions.

Other times he gives off the "pouting vibe", because it reminds me of skilled guys that I used to play with when I was younger, who'd let the negative things get the best of them and lose their focus on the game as they dwelled on their mistakes. Not saying this is happening to him, but this is how I interpret it.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Okay, but instead of saying nice things all the time, he says mostly bad things. He makes up rumours about Gaudreau being afraid to jump to the NHL, about Glencross being upset he's not captain.

Jebus, he never did this....he was purely speculating based on his own experience that if you get a chance to go to the NHL you grab it by the nuts and don't let it go...and play as long as you can until they kick you out. Rhett couldn't wrap his head around someone not grabbing that chance...he was basically flabbergasted

He never called him a coward and he sort of alluded that he might be scared based on his size....he never made up a "rumor" that he was scared or claimed to hear it from anyone. Unless he did it during one of the 3 minutes I wasn't listening during that couple weeks....if so I apologize.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Butler has his legion of haters and just wondering if Glencross got traded who would you all turn your attention to for the next whipping boy? It's pretty clear some of you aren't happy unless you have a player to rag on continually.

Nice try but I am not a Butler hater. I don't hate Glencross either, I just think he is consistently useless.