[News] Flames recall Roman Horak

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So you want to take every one out that has any size....against one of the biggest teams in hockey?

Jackman or McGrattan should sit, and add 6'7" Breen into the lineup in place of S.O.B. who is possibly the worst 'hockey player' I have ever seen. No need to go all 'moon' on me pal.

[Young Guns]

I really don't get the hate for Shane O'Brien. The guy has been steady in my opinion. A guy I couldn't stand when he played against us as he gets under everyone's skin. Exactly what this team needs. A bigger body than brings some grit. He is +1 and pretty sure without looking he is near the top for hits. A 5th-6th guy that really hasn't been a liability.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Young Guns

I really don't get the hate for Shane O'Brien. The guy has been steady in my opinion. A guy I couldn't stand when he played against us as he gets under everyone's skin. Exactly what this team needs. A bigger body than brings some grit. He is +1 and pretty sure without looking he is near the top for hits. A 5th-6th guy that really hasn't been a liability.

Agreed. Most of the bad plays that have happened when he is on the ice have been because of his partner

[strombad]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Jackman or McGrattan should sit, and add 6'7" Breen into the lineup in place of S.O.B. who is possibly the worst 'hockey player' I have ever seen. No need to go all 'moon' on me pal.

Don't watch too much hockey eh pal?

[GoFlamesGo1989]

Originally Posted by neo45

Agreed. Most of the bad plays that have happened when he is on the ice have been because of his partner

I have really liked SOB game

[Stupid]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

Too soon to be putting Monahan's line against elite first line guys. Let them continue to succeed playing other teams 2nd and 3rd lines for now.

Also, based on interviews, McGrattan has wanted to fight but been told not to in certain instances by Hartley. I think he is doing his job just fine which does not involve simply fighting.

My ideal situation:
Jackman sent down (will clear easy)
SOB & Butler sent down (would they clear?)
Glencross in the press box

Colborne needs to be sent down and learn to use his size better (face offs and positioning). He has the potential but isn't using it. Do you think he gets claimed if sent to Abby?

First; yes he gets claimed, not even a debate. Recent first round pick 6,5" center with upside..
Second; He's getting better every game, adjusting to our system and different responsibilities. He's being played in different situations and he doesn't look out of place, he shows progress in fact.

PS. He's never been discussed as a physical, bruising guy. I guess he's more like a Bouwmeester but then a forward.

[puckluck2]

About damn time. It is a shame this kid was in the AHL. In every single game I have watched the kid looks like a solid NHLer. Never will be a top 6 player but an excellent third liner that can kill penalties and give you quality minutes. He thinks the game extremely well on both ends of the ice.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Jackman or McGrattan should sit, and add 6'7" Breen into the lineup in place of S.O.B. who is possibly the worst 'hockey player' I have ever seen. No need to go all 'moon' on me pal.

Breen may or may not be an upgrade on SOB...i really dont know.

I do know, however, that SOB for all his limitations hasnt been nearly as bad as many claim him to be thus far. So if you are suggesting adding Breen and dropping Butler to add size...i guess thats something worth consideration, but to remove SOB's size and sandpaper AND remove McGrattan from playing a very big team, is just asking for physical domination against.

Thta's all Im saying....."pal".

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by neo45

Agreed. Most of the bad plays that have happened when he is on the ice have been because of his partner

That's complete bull. SOB has had just as many "gaffs" as Butler if not more if he could actualy keep up with the pace of the game. Neither SOB or Butler should be anything more than pressbox fodder.

[puckluck2]

Yeah, I am not a huge fan of SOB but he brings a lot to the table. Even if he does make mistakes, he makes up for it in the hit category and jackass category.

I don't want him sitting.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Jackman or McGrattan should sit, and add 6'7" Breen into the lineup in place of S.O.B. who is possibly the worst 'hockey player' I have ever seen. No need to go all 'moon' on me pal.

Firstly SOB hasn't been near as horrendous as Butler and I am hoping they sit Butts for Breen. Secondly McGrattan is proving to not be so out of place as most enforcers but at some point he needs to drop the mitts and do what he was signed to do, i would also sit him tomorrow in favor of Street.

Lines I wanna see go as follows:

Cammy - Backlund - Glencross
Baertschi - Monahan - Hudler
Galliardi - Horak - Stempniak
Bouma - Colbourne - Street

Gio - Russell
Brodie - Wideman
Breen - SOB

Ramo
Mac

Jackman needs to sit based on his last two performances, he's just not playing a team game right now. Street plays effective minutes where ever they slot him and has been a wizard in the face-off circle most nights, he's proving to be a great role player, slot him in on the wing and keep him out for important defensive zone draws.

[FlameZilla]

Maybe S.O.B. hasn't looked too great because of his defence partner, but when the 2 of them are out on the ice it's been a complete ####show. O'Brien's positioning out there is embarrassingly bad and his hockey smarts are non-existent. Having one guy like that in the lineup is ideal. Two guys like that is ok, but 3 big, useless pluggers in the lineup in the modern NHL is a recipe for mediocrity. It worked in Philly in the '70s but the Game dun changed.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Firstly SOB hasn't been near as horrendous as Butler and I am hoping they sit Butts for Breen. Secondly McGrattan is proving to not be so out of place as most enforcers but at some point he needs to drop the mitts and do what he was signed to do, i would also sit him tomorrow in favor of Street.

Except Hartley prefers him on the ice providing grit and energy rather than always in the penalty box. This team isn't lacking in motivation or anything and the opposing teams haven't been looking at taking advantage of our youth and goalies. So far so good but Street's performance does make it a legitimate argument for him to play over McGrattan.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Breen may or may not be an upgrade on SOB...i really dont know.

I do know, however, that SOB for all his limitations hasnt been nearly as bad as many claim him to be thus far. So if you are suggesting adding Breen and dropping Butler to add size...i guess thats something worth consideration, but to remove SOB's size and sandpaper AND remove McGrattan from playing a very big team, is just asking for physical domination against.

Thta's all Im saying....."pal".

My preference would be for Jackman to be in the pressbox. Of all our pluggers I think McGrattan can take a decent shift. I like seeing him and Bouma on a line.

Hoping to see Horak in for Jackman. I'd like to see what Breen has to offer on that bottom D pairing & I don't really care which of SOB or Butler sits.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

1) All things considered, Horak is better than Jackman. Jackman has only ever had one season where he was better than replacement-level, and he loses a lot more fights than he wins.

2) SOB has been anything but quiet. Every game he has made a serious attempt to lead the rush, or make a drop pass in the o-zone, or throw down a spin-o-rama, etc. These have been mostly harmless, in that they don't succeed, but don't seem to end up in the Flames' net either. I'd almost be tempted to give him a little bit of rope and see if he can execute a little bit of a two-way game.

3) But not with Butler. Butler has been terrible when paired with SOB, and absolutely needs a change before he plays his way out of the NHL. I still think he has the tools to be a 2nd pairing defender in the next year or two, and is worth holding on to for now.

4) Nobody is taking runs at the kids, and McGrattan isn't fighting? Sounds like the deterrent factor is working. The fact that McGrattan is putting in useful shifts from time to time and not getting totally killed every time is just gravy.

5) Breen in while Butler sits in the pressbox for a few days sounds like a plan.

[Vulcan]

2) SOB has been anything but quiet. Every game he has made a serious attempt to lead the rush, or make a drop pass in the o-zone, or throw down a spin-o-rama, etc. These have been mostly harmless, in that they don't succeed, but don't seem to end up in the Flames' net either. I'd almost be tempted to give him a little bit of rope and see if he can execute a little bit of a two-way game.

So I wasn't having a LSD flashback, SOB was really doing spin-o-ramas.

[Itse]

It's funny how whoever plays with Butler tends to get piled on...

[MyFlamesFirst]

Originally Posted by Young Guns

I really don't get the hate for Shane O'Brien. The guy has been steady in my opinion. A guy I couldn't stand when he played against us as he gets under everyone's skin. Exactly what this team needs. A bigger body than brings some grit. He is +1 and pretty sure without looking he is near the top for hits. A 5th-6th guy that really hasn't been a liability.

He also seems to be a good guy in the locker room and a good personality in the locker room. He isn't the greatest but I am happier having him playing then Sarich both on and off the ice. Butler still sucks..

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Itse

It's funny how whoever plays with Butler tends to get piled on...

I'll never complain about Butler again if he is paired up with Schultz, Bieksa, Phanuef or Subban.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

I'll never complain about Butler again if he is paired up with Schultz, Bieksa, Phanuef or Subban.

He had good camaraderie with Bouwmeester a couple of seasons ago too. That's a pairing they should look to reunite. He's a good St Louis boy too.