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Old 10-20-2013, 01:32 AM   #41
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^ I'd say Victoria Park is not nearly as well known to those that haven't been here more than 10 yrs when the community amalgamated (which is a lot).

A lot of very old Calgarians always knew the general south of the tracks area colloquially as "Beltline" as it was the name of the streetcar route that more or less followed the boundaries. When amalgamation happened it was a natural choice.
The Beltline has been called the West End or Connaught by every cab company in town for years.

I just don't see the need to change the names of communities that have been there for a 100 years to appease folk who've been in Calgary for ten years.

If you know so much about the history of Calgary tell where Banff Corner is or where Jimmie's Corner is.
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^ I just happen to know a lot about Beltline because a) I worked for the community association for a while and b) I live right near it.

Never claimed to know "so much" about Calgary's history. sheesh!
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Old 10-20-2013, 02:15 AM   #43
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^Victoria Park (as that specific name) was actually only ever two things - the historic name of Stampede Park and (as it still exists today) a Business Revitalization Zone. Well, technically it is also "wayfinding area" now as well, but that's only ever really used in a very narrow context - the new wayfinding signage in the Centre City. The former community and areas have been known as various other things involving the name "Victoria," only sometimes "Victoria Park." Names you'll see through history include Victoria, East Victoria and Victoria Crossing.

Beltline is the name of the community and has been since 2003 when the former communities of Connaught and Victoria amalgamated.

One of the main reasons that the "Victoria Park" name persists and people mistake it for the name of the community is because there's signage with that name in the BRZ area. Same thing happens with "Kensington" and "Marda Loop." Both are BRZs, not communities. That and the name of the LRT station, but we're working on getting that fixed.
Naw, the main reason it's called Victoria Park is because it's been named that for a 100 years.
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Old 10-20-2013, 10:07 AM   #44
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^ I just happen to know a lot about Beltline because a) I worked for the community association for a while and b) I live right near it.
Hey you may technically live in the Hills of Mount Royal, but you know you're one of us!
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Old 10-20-2013, 12:01 PM   #45
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Wow, I really didn't think this would turn into a big thing here and didn't want to have to belabor this tangent we're on.

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The Beltline has been called the West End or Connaught by every cab company in town for years.

I just don't see the need to change the names of communities that have been there for a 100 years to appease folk who've been in Calgary for ten years.
The change wasn't made to "appease folk who've been in Calgary for ten years." Both previous community associations wanted to amalgamate and create one community and there was widespread engagement in the community at that time that strongly supported both the amalgamation and the new name. As it had become a much more transient area at the time, many of the few longtime residents were instrumental in the amalgamation and name change.

What the cab companies call a place, although not to be discounted of course, is a bit of an odd measure in comparison to what the residents of a place overwhelmingly have decided to call themselves.

It's not that the historic names aren't important (quite the contrary, they should be used and preserved in some contexts - naming of parks and buildings, etc.), and they are indeed included in the nomenclature of areas within the community, it's that the community itself actually isn't called that anymore. On the scale of the history of the area and the lifetime of longer-term residents and visitors to the area (like cab drivers), yes ten years isn't a very long time for a new name to fully replace the old one in the vernacular and that some people will still call it something else out of habit is understandable given this. Those that might use the old names though, by and large will also use the new name interchangeably or at least know about the new name and what it refers to. Actually in that light it's quite remarkable how well-known and well-used the new name has become in such a short time.

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Naw, the main reason it's called Victoria Park is because it's been named that for a 100 years.
Yes, true. I suppose what I meant in the post you've quoted is that compared to the other former community of Connaught, Victoria Park seems to have a stronger lasting foothold because there are still things that visibly and actively use the name - just not the actual community. Yeah there's a few things that use the name Connaught (Connaught School and Connaught Park), but less people seem to hang onto the Connaught name when referring to the area.

If there were a Connaught BRZ, it would probably be a different story in that regard. A BRZ can be mistaken for a community or an area to those not familiar with the differences. It's a group of businesses that do various promotional events and will publicly advocate for their interests and speak to certain issues in the area. They will have signage with their name that, in the absence of other signage with the actual community name as you will see in newer areas of the city, can be mistaken to be the name for the place.

Kensington, Marda Loop and Victoria Park are BRZs that don't share a name with the communities they are adjacent to whereas Inglewood, Bowness and Montgomery are BRZs that also share the name of the community. If those communities were to ever go through some renaming or amalgamation process (and both happen from time to time in Calgary - Mount Royal used to be called "American Acres," for example), and the BRZ didn't also rename, it would also take a long time for the new name to be used more in the vernacular.
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I think the point that people are trying to make is that the community association names, BRZ names, wayfining names, or official city community names don't really matter when people continue to refer to an area as something else in popular usage. Hell's Kitchen in New York and South Central LA are not officially known by those titles, yet those names have prevailed for years. Just like the majority of people continue to refer to the area around the Stampede grounds as Victoria Park.

The Beltline is also a huge area, so it's important to use the Vic Park and Connaught names when describing a location more specifically.
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What is the condition of the two who were injured in this shooting?
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Old 10-20-2013, 04:16 PM   #48
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Well this whole debate began with the misnaming of communities when the flood happened. My point is that saying there is flooding in the Beltline doesn't tell us much. Has the Bow flooded that area or is it the Elbow. By saying it's in Victoria Park pretty much tells everyone where the water is coming from and what area is being flooded. I agree that technically Victoria Park community no longer exists (most of the houses are gone) and it's now a part of the Beltline but it's still a distinguishable part of that new community.
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What is the condition of the two who were injured in this shooting?
Male stable, female critical and unstable.
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Hey you may technically live in the Hills of Mount Royal, but you know you're one of us!
Lower (class) Mount Royal

I might add, a truly dull name. How about "Below the Beltline"? Equally descriptive.
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Well this thread got just ridiculous.
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Male stable, female critical and unstable.
I was told today the girl was shot in the face. Brutal.
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