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FlamesAllTheWay · 10-19-2013, 10:46 AM

Plugging our prospects into the lineup for no other reason than we are rebuilding doesn't sound at all like a meritocracy. Quite the opposite in fact.

Unfortunately Butler in his current state might be better than any other option we have at this point, as a few others have said in this thread already.

Redrum · 10-19-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JobHopper

Interesting to see how "fans" on here like to pile on certain players but when someone says something even remotely critical of another player they're pretty much mocked. If Butler was even a 1/10 as bad as people here make him out to be he wouldn't even be good enough for your rec team. But carry on.

The last couple years I would agree, but so far this year literally anyone in the organization would be a better option.

MisterJoji · 10-19-2013, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAllTheWay

Plugging our prospects into the lineup for no other reason than we are rebuilding doesn't sound at all like a meritocracy. Quite the opposite in fact.

Catch 22, none of the prospects have shown they've earned a call up, but Butler has shown that he doesn't deserve to play every night.

BACKCHECK!!! · 10-19-2013, 02:34 PM

The Butler - SOB pairing isn't doing anyone any favors.

It's making both guys look bad, and making the team lose games.

I wouldn't say I have "faith" in Butler, but id say that I think he still has all the tools to put it together and become a solid 2nd pairing guy.

I'd give him a bit more rope, because he might come around, and having a guy of his age who can play top-4 for years to come would be really handy. But I sure as heck wouldn't have him paired with SOB, and I wouldn't give him any longer than the end of this season.

BigBrodieFan · 10-19-2013, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

I feel bad for Butler. It's a rotten time when you suck at your job.

All he can do is try his best and try to improve game in and game out.

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I feel bad for Chris and his family, who probably feel sick every time they read all the negative stuff about him.

However, I get it. I fail to see why he should be considered an N quality d-man. He might be better than average in the A... but then again, maybe not. It's frustrating. The Flames need to start playing to win, and not just 'not to lose.' Having Butler in your core D group isn't projecting this aspiration, nor is it instilling any faith in the fans for a successful rebuild.

My vote would be for replacing him with Breen (when he's healthy), whom I have always been impressed with.

puckluck2 · 10-19-2013, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan

I feel bad for Chris and his family, who probably feel sick every time they read all the negative stuff about him.

However, I get it. I fail to see why he should be considered an N quality d-man. He might be better than average in the A... but then again, maybe not. It's frustrating. The Flames need to start playing to win, and not just 'not to lose.' Having Butler in your core D group isn't projecting this aspiration, nor is it instilling any faith in the fans for a successful rebuild.

My vote would be for replacing him with Breen (when he's healthy), whom I have always been impressed with.

You know... Brodie does have access to him.....

BigBrodieFan · 10-19-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck2

You know... Brodie does have access to him.....

BigBrodieFan · 10-19-2013, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

We need Butler to trip on a banana peel and break his leg

That is totally uncalled for. I don't wish injury on any kid in any sport.

gallione11 · 10-19-2013, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan

That is totally uncalled for. I don't wish injury on any kid in any sport.

Yeah the couple posters hoping/wishing injury on him is pretty pathetic.

If a hockey player infuriates you that much, maybe try a different hobby.

dissentowner · 10-19-2013, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gallione11

Yeah the couple posters hoping/wishing injury on him is pretty pathetic.

If a hockey player infuriates you that much, maybe try a different hobby.

Mine was obviously a joke.

StrykerSteve · 10-19-2013, 11:11 PM

Butler continues to lead the way in Blocked Shots with another 5 tonight.

Puts him 19th overall in the league.

Yoho · 10-19-2013, 11:14 PM

I think he also has a record for seemingly on the ice for every goal against this season.

StrykerSteve · 10-19-2013, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoho

I think he also has a record for seemingly on the ice for every goal against this season.

He's a whopping -1 on the season.

killer_carlson · 10-19-2013, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Butler continues to lead the way in Blocked Shots with another 5 tonight.

Puts him 19th overall in the league.

Quick, trade him now. His value has never been higher!

Yoho · 10-19-2013, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

He's a whopping -1 on the season.

He must be on a bunch of PK's then

Calgary4LIfe · 10-19-2013, 11:24 PM

I thought he had a pretty solid game tonight (though I was keeping a closer eye on the UFC fight tonight). There doesn't seem to be any Butler-bashing going on in the PGT. Seems he did have a pretty decent game.

FlamesAllTheWay · 10-19-2013, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoho

He must be on a bunch of PK's then

Only 3 goals against while on PK...

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=plusMinus

Arkamedius · 10-19-2013, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

It probably has something to do with how the coaches see A LOT more than any fan possibly can, and they know infinitely more about their players and the situation than any casual outside observer.

Butler is a marginal bottom-pairing defenseman on a marginal NHL team, with no clear better options. Is anyone honestly surprised that he does not look very good? I expect that this is the reason why he continues to play. Honestly, if all we as fans have to complain about is a bottom-pairing defenseman, that has to be considered a huge positive.

Yes and no.. I say yes because as you put it the coach is a lot more intimate with the player vs a fan that much is true. On the bottom pairing d man making 1.2 million, Butler this year vs last year, he was still on the fan's radar just not as big of a target as (for example) Bouwmeester who was making more but at the same level of physical play (none) and hockey iq (little). Can you really argue that we couldn't fill his spot with someone who is younger with less experience who at the same time will make those mistakes but will put forth a marginal effort?

Arkamedius · 10-19-2013, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAllTheWay

Only 3 goals against while on PK...

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=plusMinus

.. Only....

codynw · 10-19-2013, 11:46 PM

From what I saw, he actually had a really good game tonight. If he could play like this every night I would be very happy with him as a 3rd pairing d-man. I didn't yell at the TV once because of something Butler did tonight!