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MrMastodonFarm · 10-18-2013, 03:10 PM

Ugh, I could not fap to that.

rubecube · 10-18-2013, 03:10 PM

FTR, I'm not convicting this guy, but just because she appeared to be enjoying it doesn't mean it was consensual.

MrMastodonFarm · 10-18-2013, 03:11 PM

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FTR, I'm not convicting this guy, but just because she appeared to be enjoying it doesn't mean it was consensual.

She appeared to be grinding her crotch into his face, then forcing his face into her crotch.

_Q_ · 10-18-2013, 03:11 PM

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So is falsely accusing someone of murder equivalent to actually murdering someone and should be dealt with just as harshly?

Well no because in the case of murder, the obvious difference is there's a dead person.

Vulcan · 10-18-2013, 03:13 PM

Sounds to me like she was drunk as she couldn't say at what time it happened. If she was drunk was that rape?

Dorkmaster · 10-18-2013, 03:13 PM

Rape is serious and should be punished, but if you make a false accusation you are making a mockery of the justice system and real rape victims. Sounds like there's enough evidence floating around out there that it shouldn't be too hard to determine this one.

jayswin · 10-18-2013, 03:14 PM

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So is falsely accusing someone of murder equivalent to actually murdering someone and should be dealt with just as harshly?

Damnit Rube, don't make me think about, and possibly change my opinion on something I typed out!!!

God damn, I know the CP way of discussion is to never change, never back down, and just vehemently argue your side, but yeah, that comment kind of makes me think.

Maybe not "just as harshly", but I think it does need to be enforced when it happens, and there is a charge for it. I guess my comment was more on the people reacting to these stories than the cases themselves.

The reaction of the masses is usually one of sympathy towards victims (again, I'm right there when it's a true claim), but the sympathy tends to linger, or at least not turn to scorn when it turns out to be false, which usually irks me a bit, as a false claim can destroy someone's life just as much as actual rape/sexual harassment, if the lie is successful.

Table 5 · 10-18-2013, 03:14 PM

It may not be equal to an actual rape in trauma, but falsely accusing someone should absolutely be treated like a serious crime. The fact that this guys name could be in the paper even if he is 100% innocent, could be pretty damaging on its own.

rubecube · 10-18-2013, 03:16 PM

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Well no because in the case of murder, the obvious difference is there's a dead person.

And in rape cases, there's a rape victim. It just amazes me that, despite having a false-reporting rate that is often less than or equal to every other crime, the only threads where people make a big deal about false-reporting are rape threads.

rubecube · 10-18-2013, 03:18 PM

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Sounds to me like she was drunk as she couldn't say at what time it happened. If she was drunk was that rape?

It can be, especially if he was sober. You can't legally give consent if you're impaired. It gets a little murkier when both parties are wasted.

_Q_ · 10-18-2013, 03:19 PM

I haven't watched the video, but if she looks as though she's enjoying it and she's not in any way trying to fight him off or calling for help, then it is 100% definitely not a rape.

jayswin · 10-18-2013, 03:21 PM

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And in rape cases, there's a rape victim. It just amazes me that, despite having a false-reporting rate that is often less than or equal to every other crime, the only threads where people make a big deal about false-reporting are rape threads.

True, and I try to not be that guy in most of these threads, but I'd argue this thread is different because it appears (not saying definitively) that this is a strong case for false accusation, so the comments, or at least the discussion of false accusations are a lot more on topic in this specific thread.

jayswin · 10-18-2013, 03:22 PM

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I haven't watched the video, but if she looks as though she's enjoying it and she's not in any way trying to fight him off or calling for help, then it is 100% definitely not a rape.

That's not true.

rubecube · 10-18-2013, 03:23 PM

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I haven't watched the video, but if she looks as though she's enjoying it and she's not in any way trying to fight him off or calling for help, then it is 100% definitely not a rape.

Green text?

rubecube · 10-18-2013, 03:25 PM

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True, and I try to not be that guy in most of these threads, but I'd argue this thread is different because it appears (not saying definitively) that this is a strong case for false accusation, so the comments, or at least the discussion of false accusations are a lot more on topic in this specific thread.

Well we have to wait for more details. If this guy took her out and got her liquored to the point where she couldn't consent, and then started going down on her, then it's a pretty clear case of sexual assault.

Honestly, the reason I get so fired up about the false accusation stuff is because it's such a huge myth perpetrated by rape-apologists, and leads to #### like this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1489769

_Q_ · 10-18-2013, 03:29 PM

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That's not true.

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huh?

So let me get this straight, you have sex with a girl and in her mind she doesn't want it, but doesn't say anything about it to you, and she seems to be totally into it while it's happening.

Can she then wake up the next day and say "oh God! I didn't like that, it was rape!" and charge you? Doesn't that open a whole can of worms?

undercoverbrother · 10-18-2013, 03:31 PM

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Well we have to wait for more details. If this guy took her out and got her liquored to the point where she couldn't consent, and then started going down on her, then it's a pretty clear case of sexual assault.

Honestly, the reason I get so fired up about the false accusation stuff is because it's such a huge myth perpetrated by rape-apologists, and leads to #### like this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1489769

Thanking this post was just not good enough.

rubecube · 10-18-2013, 03:33 PM

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huh?

So let me get this straight, you have sex with a girl and in her mind she doesn't want it, but doesn't say anything about it to you, and she seems to be totally into it while it's happening.

Can she then wake up the next day and say "oh God! I didn't like that, it was rape!" and charge you? Doesn't that open a whole can of worms?

Get consent first. It's really not that ####ing hard.

jayswin · 10-18-2013, 03:33 PM

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huh?

So let me get this straight, you have sex with a girl and in her mind she doesn't want it, but doesn't say anything about it to you, and she seems to be totally into it while it's happening.

Can she then wake up the next day and say "oh God! I didn't like that, it was rape!" and charge you? Doesn't that open a whole can of worms?

I agree with you if she's sober and doesn't really want to but decides not to say anything and goes along with it and appears to enjoy it (run on sentence!). But as soon as alcohol enters the discussion, it's a whole new ball game.

Table 5 · 10-18-2013, 03:34 PM

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Well we have to wait for more details. If this guy took her out and got her liquored to the point where she couldn't consent, and then started going down on her, then it's a pretty clear case of sexual assault.

The thing is you can't just start making up nefarious what-ifs or reasons about how this could be an evil rape plot. Because if that's the case, Im sure someone could also start thinking up stories about how she drugged him or blackmailed him into sex. There is still that whole "innocent till proven guilty" thing. From what we have to work with right now (ie, the video) it seems like it's pretty consensual. I guess we'll have to see how it shakes out (that is if we don't all forget it).

At the end of the day though, if he did rape her, he should be thrown in jail. And at the end of the day, if she is lying, she should be thrown in jail. I don't think thats unfair.