Rebuilding Flames Have Early Spark

[photon]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Sure, Photon, I can see the principle you have in mind. To be on the safe side, you should outlaw all links on CP so that nobody can benefit from the hard work you did to build up the site. In fact, nobody should link to anybody else, ever. Then the Internet will be yours, all yours!

Needs more hyperbole!

As I said, we allow links in people's sigs. If people PM us asking first we typically give permission. If some 3rd party posts a link to someone's personal blog we've never ever said anything about that. Obviously given these things it's not an issue of no one ever benefiting from the site builder's hard work. If you do see the principle I have in mind, your post doesn't really reflect that.

And it's not my hard work that I'm referring to, it's Bingo's site. I just made sure the software and hardware worked. My post wasn't referring to my hard work into this site, it was the royal I (as in an abstract example).

[Lanny_McDonald]

Great. Another blog site with 20 year old contributors who never set foot on the ice in a competitive capacity and get their information from other sites, repeating the same narrative developed by TSN, THN and Bob McKenzie.

[calumniate]

Popcorn very tasty today..

[Joborule]

So how come posting TSN/CBC ect. links is fine, but a general fan site like the OP's isn't? What's the difference?

[photon]

Originally Posted by Joborule

So how come posting TSN/CBC ect. links is fine, but a general fan site like the OP's isn't? What's the difference?

The rule is about self-promotion, not linking to external sites.

Posting a link to a nice blog you found is fine. The other extreme would be someone registering with the sole intent to try and increase their traffic just by posting a link to their blog with their first post, no intent to try and contribute to the community, just to leverage the community for their own benefit only. We don't want that, you don't either (otherwise the front page would be nothing but that, we get a LOT of spammy registrations that I weed out before they even get a chance to post).

Or someone registering to advertise their business without paying for advertising, as opposed to you posting a link to their business when someone asked for a link to a good plumber which is fine.

[Commandant]

Originally Posted by New Era

Great. Another blog site with 20 year old contributors who never set foot on the ice in a competitive capacity and get their information from other sites, repeating the same narrative developed by TSN, THN and Bob McKenzie.

I'm not in my 20s... but sure....

question... how many newspaper reporters have stepped on the ice in a competitive capacity??

But hey if you don't like what is on TV, change the channel.... if you don't like the site, don't click it...... Cheers...

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Commandant

Hey if you don't like what is on TV, change the channel..... Cheers...

Kind of difficult when you popped up on the channel that was playing what we liked. Stupid commercials!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Commandant

question... how many newspaper reporters have stepped on the ice in a competitive capacity??

How many of your "reporters" have degrees in journalism and have worked their way through the ranks of the many that wanted those plum reporting positions? How many of your "reporters" follow journalistic standards, or even know what those standards are? How many of your "reporters" know what a secondary source is and how to get one?

Just because someone has an interest in a subject, and can put up a website, doesn't mean they should be accepted as a credible source of information. You vet your reporters by hanging a "reporter wanted" shingle on a website like this one. Excuse me if you are vetted by the fact you look for your talent in this manner.

[Commandant]

Originally Posted by New Era

How many of your "reporters" have degrees in journalism and have worked their way through the ranks of the many that wanted those plum reporting positions? How many of your "reporters" follow journalistic standards, or even know what those standards are? How many of your "reporters" know what a secondary source is and how to get one?

Just because someone has an interest in a subject, and can put up a website, doesn't mean they should be accepted as a credible source of information. You vet your reporters by hanging a "reporter wanted" shingle on a website like this one. Excuse me if you are vetted by the fact you look for your talent in this manner.

I've never claimed to have reporters.

We have a writers wanted page on the site.... not "reporters" wanted.

As for our credentials.

I am a Lawyer with the Law Society of Upper Canada.
Our Chief Editor has a Masters in English.
Our Lead Hockey editor has a Journalism Degree as does our Lead Soccer Editor (the only two sports with enough activity to require seperate editors at this time).
Many of our writers either have journalism degrees or are currently taking journalism at the university level.
Our MMA team have degrees in broadcast journalism, and have been recognized by the UFC with official voting privileges in the fighter rankings.

We've gotten interviews with NHL, AHL, NFL, NBA, and UFC players, former players, coaches and team staff.

Our articles have been linked by the Montreal Gazette, by Puck Daddy, by Spector, and by others....

For a small site, we've gotten a lot of respect in just two years....


All that said, our ad still has a vetting process where we request resume and writing sample before adding anyone to the team.

All that said, we've always used the words writer and not reporter on our site clarifying a key difference with where we envision things.

But hey, make all the assumptions you want about the site... you know what they say when you assume things.

[Commandant]

Originally Posted by strombad

Kind of difficult when you popped up on the channel that was playing what we liked. Stupid commercials!

No one forced you to read the post after you clicked, and no one forces you to read any of my future posts... its all your choice. Great thing this internet stuff.

Or did you miss the ignore button on this site?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Commandant

I am a Lawyer with the Law Society of Upper Canada.

All that said, we've always used the words writer and not reporter on our site clarifying a key difference with where we envision things.

So no expertise and nothing that would lend any credibility to your publication. That's what I thought. And before you protest any further I'll remind you that anyone can pass the bar exam, that doesn't make them a lawyer.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Commandant

I've never claimed to have reporters.

And yet, you "report" news stories on your site, which are little more than reworded reports from other sites who have their own sources.
You have to figure it out, are you a site that wants to take a different view of things and actually have a unique take? Or do you want to be a news site? If you're going to be a news site, then you're going to have reporters, if you're not going to be a news site, then you've got no business posting news like you sourced it. Reading others sites and creating your own article is not doing it properly. Surely with so many unemployed/hobbyist journalists on your roster you should know that.

Originally Posted by Commandant

No one forced you to read the post after you clicked, and no one forces you to read any of my future posts... its all your choice. Great thing this internet stuff.

Or did you miss the ignore button on this site?

Ah yes, this magical Internet where I can simply click ignore to make a problem go away. I'm aware of the button, but you're aware that promoting yourself on the Internet using improper avenues leaves you wide open for criticism yes? I would assume a professional lawyer would be better at defending his position.
Aside from that, the site isn't awful, there's nothing there you couldn't get from multiple other professional sites, so I'm not sure what original angle you're bringing. Kind of a Bleacher Report knock-off.
Oh, and be more careful about what ads you allow in your site. Having a ad about increasing the size of your junk makes you look bush league.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Commandant

I am a Lawyer with the Law Society of Upper Canada.
Our Chief Editor has a Masters in English.
Our Lead Hockey editor has a Journalism Degree as does our Lead Soccer Editor (the only two sports with enough activity to require seperate editors at this time).

*separate

You should have one of your editors here.

[Commandant]

Originally Posted by New Era

So no expertise and nothing that would lend any credibility to your publication. That's what I thought. And before you protest any further I'll remind you that anyone can pass the bar exam, that doesn't make them a lawyer.

Yeah, but actually being a practicing lawyer for the last three years, makes me a lawyer.

As for the other comment on "promoting through improper avenues" I've already explained that I though the same policy that was in place in june was in place today....

As for the comment on ads... I've already stated that the ads do little more than fund the site, they serve their intended purpose. Perhaps TSN shouldn't have ads for Viagara and Cialis... oh wait, they do that too... what a bush league network.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Commandant

Yeah, but actually being a practicing lawyer for the last three years, makes me a lawyer.

As for the other comment on "promoting through improper avenues" I've already explained that I though the same policy that was in place in june was in place today....

As for the comment on ads... I've already stated that the ads do little more than fund the site, they serve their intended purpose. Perhaps TSN shouldn't have ads for Viagara and Cialis... oh wait, they do that too... what a bush league network.

There is a difference between men taking legitimate medication something to help a medical condition, and men taking illegitimate medication to increase the size of their penis.
Thus, there is a difference between allowing ads that advertise legitimate product and ads that advertise illegitimate scams.
Bush league.
Take it from someone who knows a thing or two about developing a product. Every decision you make reflects upon your product. Allowing ads for scams that take advantage of unconfident men is embarrassing.
Regardless, the whole "blog that reposts things from reputable news and sports sites" thing is great, just don't get upset when people give you a hard time. You're not exactly doing anything that's cornering a market on creativity or reporting. Keep it up though! It's an enjoyable hobby to have! As I said, the site isn't bad, could use a bit more original identity, but not bad.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Well, I for one found the article well-written. Photon seems ok with it (after getting some more of the backstory). Have no idea why some posters are getting upset.

I couldn't care less what degree a writer has or hasn't. Whomever wrote the article is a capable writer and obviously follows the Flames. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to reading more articles.

Edit: And just to add - I love Calgarypuck because it is such a good aggregate of info from different sites. I like reading both professional and amateur material (as long as it is well-written and well thought-out). I love coming here and seeing some great links (and of course, good discussion), and the few times I find one on my own, I contribute. Definitely understand the MODs' being caught a bit off guard, but now that it is all straightened out (I think anyways), I look forward to another poster (for their benefit or otherwise) adding value to my experience here. Just my two cents.

[flamesrule_kipper34]

Gotta say some of you guys are being unnecessarily harsh here, wow.