Sean FRICKIN Monahan

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

How?...........

Blonde moment. I'm at work and trying to do too many things at once.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

How?...........

Simple because he just showed how at the end of the day how little the World Juniors matter. I'm sure it's a great memory for those players that played in it but it doesn't seem to have any real long lasting benefit for those that played in it vs those that don't. It sucks for guys that want to play but they'll get over it, TJ Brodie got over it and it didn't seem to help Nemisz make the next step.

I'm all for debate if there is a development skew to this but it all seems to come down to emotional pleas to let the kid play. I don't buy that. If it's all about creating cherished memories then the Flames should be releasing Sean to go back to Ontario for Christmas dinner instead of flying to Sweden.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Simple because he just showed how at the end of the day how little the World Juniors matter. I'm sure it's a great memory for those players that played in it but it doesn't seem to have any real long lasting benefit for those that played in it vs those that don't. It sucks for guys that want to play but they'll get over it, TJ Brodie got over it and it didn't seem to help Nemisz make the next step.

I'm all for debate if there is a development skew to this but it all seems to come down to emotional pleas to let the kid play. I don't buy that. If it's all about creating cherished memories then the Flames should be releasing Sean to go back to Ontario for Christmas dinner instead of flying to Sweden.

I see what youre saying, but just like the vast amount of NHL games he will play for the next number of years, he will (hopefully) have many more years of Christmas dinners with his family. This is literally a once in a lifetime opportunity. The only other time he could play for something similar would be a potential Olympic invite at some point in his career (which is also generally a once in a lifetime chance).

[Stay Golden]

I'm only for the Flames putting on the ice every night their best players as they have stated over and over. Both Hartley and Feaster "we dress the best 17 players we can every night".
Ok after game 9 lets see if they hold true to that statement. Lets see if they chose the much lesser player of Ben Street over Monahan?
I have said it before the Flames brass need to realize keeping Monahan is NOT burning a year off his contract if he is playing on the line he is and getting the minutes he is earning.
Burning a year off his contract is only if he doesn't dress or is on the 4th line.
MaGrattan and Gio without being asked about Monahan chimed in as to why the team has been so successful so far and part of their answer was the spark that Monahan provides. So you have the Captain and a veteran of the team saying in not so many words hey coach this kid, we need to keep him.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by MattyC

All of those guys played in the WJC before entering the NHL, so the argument about having the experience of it doesn't apply at all. Seguin should have been lent, he spent half of his first year with the B's in the pressbox anyways. RNH shouldn't have even been in the NHL his first year so ya he should have went.

Bergeron didn't play in the WJC before entering in the NHL.

Yeah, Seguin is a case for being lent but he wasn't playing meaningful minutes with the B's. I agreed that if Sean wasn't playing meaningful minutes he should be lent. But if he is playing top 6 minutes & the Flames are a bubble team, then there is no way he gets removed from our lineup to play in the WJC

[MissTeeks]

Duhatschek article:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle14823044/

Four lockers down, Calgary Flames defenceman Shane O’Brien is watching as the crowd forms around Sean Monahan, who is receiving post-practice marching orders.
First, there is a photo shoot – “In sweats?” Monahan asked – followed by a telephone interview with the NHL Network.
Monahan is a rare species in Calgary – a rookie sensation in an organization that’s had its share of first-round failures lo these many years – and the veteran O’Brien is teasing him about all the attention.
“It’s 24/7 kid,” O’Brien said, adding: “I can be your PR guy if you want.”
No need for that probably.

Monahan, the sixth-overall pick in the 2013 draft looks like the real deal already, even without any extra hype. So often, junior-age players arrive in the NHL with a splash and then tail off once the pace of play ramps up. In Monahan’s favour is he turns 19 on Saturday, and thus, is one of the older members of his draft class.
Beyond that, he is fairly mature physically and thus far has been able to make plays against genuine NHLers, a telling sign. Monahan has three goals in the past three games and scoring points in all four, as Calgary is off to an unexpectedly good 2-0-2 start.

So when asked Thursday about Monahan’s play to date and how he’s sustained a high level in the early stages of the season, head coach Bob Hartley said the same question could be asked of his team as a whole.
Against long odds, can they keep it going?
“I ask this question every day,” Hartley said. “Monny’s a special kid. He makes great plays. He’s fun to work with – and you’re right. The question goes as well for Monny as our entire team. That’s where my job and my partners come into effect – the way we prepare them, the way we hold them accountable to the standards we established on Day 1. Are we going to be able to do it? Time will tell.”

Their ninth game of the season comes in Phoenix, at which point they will have to make a decision about Monahan – keep him for the duration of the season, or send him back to junior.
“I don’t think about that nine-game thing,” Monahan said. “I want to be here full time and I want to play on this team. So I’m just going to continue to work hard and, hopefully, things happen how I want them to happen.”
Ultimately, the Flames will decide Monahan’s future on the basis of where his hockey development can be most intelligently enhanced.
Some teams will allow financial considerations to influence thinking, but the Flames are a salary-cap team and their managers have carte blanche to spend ownership’s dollars however they see fit.

[Tinordi]

Bottom line: If Monahan is still a roster regular contributing to the team then there's no reason to send him to the World Juniors.

The only arguments I've seen in support are the thinly veiled wants of fans who hope to see a Flames prospect play. For a professional hockey organization that isn't even on the list of possible reasons to send him.

Which leads to me wonder why fans continually fail to learn this lesson. 18-19 year olds producing in the NHL are NEVER sent to the WJC. Why doesn't this sink in?

[Tinordi]

Should Monahan stay in the NHL or be sent down?

http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index...ain-in-the-nhl

What Monahan has done is impressive but the rookie hasn’t been getting a lot of ice time. In fact, Monahan is ninth on the Flames for forwards in ice time per game, averaging 13:35 minutes a game. His power play time on ice doesn’t look much better, as he’s eighth amongst Flames forwards.
So far, Monahan has found ice time because Matt Stajan has missed the last three games with a leg contusion. Mike Cammalleri has also been injured to start the season. Both these players are due back around the time the Flames need to decide whether Monahan stays in the NHL.

Stajan and Cammalleri will eat into the ice time of Monahan, as those two will get quality power play time and are likely to be used in every opportunity to score, especially if Calgary is looking to trade them at some point during the season.

Once you add Cammalleri and Stajan to the mix, you can see how Monahan’s already limited ice time will likely start to suffer.

Monahan’s hot streak is looking great right now, but Calgary needs to figure what they are going to do when he hits an inevitable cold streak. Do they want him playing under 13 minutes a night if he’s not scoring?

Another thing to examine is the history of the man now in charge of making these decisions in Calgary. Brian Burke’s time in Toronto wasn’t exactly a place where prospects went to prosper. Despite media and fans calling for Nazem Kadri to play in the NHL, Burke was content to let him play in juniors and the AHL before Kadri made the Leafs on a full-time basis.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Bottom line: If Monahan is still a roster regular contributing to the team then there's no reason to send him to the World Juniors.

The only arguments I've seen in support are the thinly veiled wants of fans who hope to see a Flames prospect play. For a professional hockey organization that isn't even on the list of possible reasons to send him.

Which leads to me wonder why fans continually fail to learn this lesson. 18-19 year olds producing in the NHL are NEVER sent to the WJC. Why doesn't this sink in?

I would suspect that most, if not all, of those teams were, or believe they were, playoff contenders. Do you really believe that the Flames will make the playoffs this year? In the long run, with regards to this season, will it really make that much of a difference if Mono misses four games?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I would suspect that most, if not all, of those teams were, or believe they were, playoff contenders. Do you really believe that the Flames will make the playoffs this year? In the long run, with regards to this season, will it really make that much of a difference if Mono misses four games?

He's in the NHL now so the real question is in the long run, will it really make that much of a difference if Monahan played in the World Juniors?

I'd say a definite no.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I would suspect that most, if not all, of those teams were, or believe they were, playoff contenders. Do you really believe that the Flames will make the playoffs this year? In the long run, with regards to this season, will it really make that much of a difference if Mono misses four games?

Pittsburg didn't send Crosby and they were a bottom dweller.

The Oil didn't send Nugent-Hopkins and they stunk.

Tavares was on the Isle and they were horrible.

Stamkos didn't go with a bad Melrose Tampa team.

Skinner didn't go with a bad Carolina team.

And on and on and on

I repeat if he's producing on the Flames in a meaningful role (top 9) there is NO CHANCE he is being sent to a meaningless 2nd tier tournament.

[undercoverbrother]

Isn't it nice to be in a position to have to have this debate..

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Should Monahan stay in the NHL or be sent down?

http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index...ain-in-the-nhl

He'll inevitably hit a cold streak and so will the Flames. It's a really tough call on whether he stays up and so much of it rests in Hartley's hands. I hope he gives Monahan a solid portion of minutes when the vets return.

It's also interesting how much the media assumes it will be Burke making this call...

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Pittsburg didn't send Crosby and they were a bottom dweller.

The Oil didn't send Nugent-Hopkins and they stunk.

Tavares was on the Isle and they were horrible.

Stamkos didn't go with a bad Melrose Tampa team.

Skinner didn't go with a bad Carolina team.

And on and on and on

I repeat if he's producing on the Flames in a meaningful role (top 9) there is NO CHANCE he is being sent to a meaningless 2nd tier tournament.

I wouldn't go that far... There's always a solid chance that this organisation makes the wrong decision, whichever one that may be.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Isn't it nice to be in a position to have to have this debate..

i agree isn't it nice that the Flames have drafted a player like Monahan and he has rewarded the fans and team with the production that he has right off the hop.

[LouCypher]

Monahan at lets say 9-13 minutes a night can still make an impact and learn while also having the chance to see his ice time bumped up when things are going well for him. Monahan at 5-7 minutes would almost be forced to play a really limited role and would probably be better off in junior. I don't think 9-13 minutes is to much for him either even if he does slow down a bit at some point.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Pittsburg didn't send Crosby and they were a bottom dweller.

The Oil didn't send Nugent-Hopkins and they stunk.

Tavares was on the Isle and they were horrible.

Stamkos didn't go with a bad Melrose Tampa team.

Skinner didn't go with a bad Carolina team.

And on and on and on

I repeat if he's producing on the Flames in a meaningful role (top 9) there is NO CHANCE he is being sent to a meaningless 2nd tier tournament.

All of the above got to play for Canada ... except for Skinner. And here's Skinners thoughts on it...

Instead of wearing the Maple Leaf, Skinner is preparing to play the Toronto Maple Leafs in NHL action Tuesday night. And though this is exactly where the Markham, Ont., native wants to be, Skinner will concede that there is a small part of him that wishes, just once, he could have played the world juniors.
“Yeah, definitely,” Skinner said. “Growing up, that’s the biggest thing you do at Christmas time – watch the world juniors, watch Team Canada. I was excited because [last season] at first, I didn’t know if I was going to stick with Carolina, so I was looking forward to maybe trying to make that team. Then I stuck with Carolina and it didn’t happen, but it would have been exciting. Yeah, I’ve definitely thought about it.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle4247497/

I don't think Skinner thought of it as being "a meaningless 2nd tier tournament".

[Shaggin Wagon]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

By the age of 22? 23? I am convinced he will be the Flames next captain, but there is a very good chance that he will also become one of the youngest in the League once he is ready.

He's got to do it quick if he wants to beat Landeskog. He is currently 21.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Isn't it nice to be in a position to have to have this debate..

Yes it certainly is. Its been a long time.

[Bourque's Twin]

He's the team's leadeing scorer and has consistently shown he can fit in at all aspects of the game. It all comes down to where management sees him developing the best.
OHL - gets huge ice time, wears the C, puts a team on his back, world jr's
NHL - plays with the best of the best, less ice time, lesser role

I'm not a scout but my personal fan opinion is that he develops more at the NHL level. As an athlete I always developed best when I was a young guy on an older team. That's where I learned the most.