Empire was definitely the best because it had gravity, it had a long anticipated confrontation between Luke and Vader, it had the reveal ... and it had the mysterious bad ass Boba Fett (also ruined in the prequels).
As far as this new movie, I'm hopeful because it legitimately can't get any worse. It cannot possible be worse than the creator of the series destroying his mythology by making it parasites.
Opening scene Luke wakes up and stumbles over to his coffee machine he rubs his eyes and grabs a cup and starts pouring a cup.
He hears a popping sound behind him and Yoda Ghost pops out of thin air
"Yoda Ghost - "Hope decaf that is, better for you it can be"
Luke shakes his head
Luke - "What are you talking about, its just coffee"
Yoda - "Oh young one, caffine leads to edginess, edginess leads to road rage and road rage leads to the dark side.
Luke - "Oh come on that's not true."
Yoda - "when 900 year old ghost you become take lip from bratty whiner you won't take either"
And Yoda vanishes. Luke stumbles over to his T.V. or holo or whatever, his Chewbacca brand slippers raising sparks on the suspiciously 70's style shag carpet. He turns on Starfox news and looks over with a start to see Obi Wan Kenobi's ghost sitting beside him. Not the old Obi-one, but the younger more rakish dream boaty one.
Obi Wan - "I once watches StarFox news, before the dark times, before the empire"
Luke - "Oh, this is getting stupid, what are you talking about"
Obi - "Luke sometimes we have to realize that the truths that we see on Starfox news are only truths in a certain point of view. Oh crap Space Oprha is on, gotta dust"
He vanishes and somewhere in a GFFA Ewan MacGregor opens his mailbox and waives a check around. Meanwhile Luke feels a chill and turns aroung and he's sitting nose to nose with Ghost Palpatine.
Ghost Palpatine - "You know I have to know, when I shot you up with a billion volts of electricity did you crap your pants? cause I didn't see any fires in the wiring but something stank"
Luke - "Of course not, I'm a Jedi just like my father before me and Jedi don't crap their pants"
Palpatine chuckles
Palpaghost - "Look kid I hate to break it to you, but your dad didn't even have any intestines. We fed him a liquid diet, and he basically had a tap under his cape.
Personally that whole dinner with Solo and the rest . . . don't really get that at all"
Luke gets up and storms to the bathroom a Jar Jar Binks ghosts flickers into being and Luke roles his eyes and storms through him. Jar Jar's head dips in a look of total butt hurt as Luke slams the bathroom door and lifts up his Jedi Robes and sits on the toilet. He looks up and recoils as there's a ghost in a scruffy set of overalls and a Light mop.
Luke - "Who the hell are you"
Ghost - "Names Oscar, I was a janitor at the Jedi Temple when order 66 hit. After they did order 66 you know kill all Jedi, they executed order 72, kill everyone else"
Luke - "Get out I'm trying to poop"
Oscar - "all right all right, just light a match when your done"
Luke finishes and opens the bathroom door his apartments filled with ghosts. We've got minor characters from the EU, three different Harrison Ford ghosts including an Indian Jones ghost and a Blade Runner ghost. The cantina ban plays ghostly music while Jabba's Rancor eyes them up from the corner. The only other real person in the room is that brat from the 6th sense but he's looking like he's on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
Luke sneaks out of the house and looks up to see ghost Owen and Beru. Beru being the typical mother figure start in on Luke
Beru - "Look at you a Jedi Knight, I bet that doesn't pay well. I bet you didn't even graduate high school and go to the academy like you always said you were. Look at your cousin, Hymie Skywalker, he's a doctor you know, has a big house just outside of Mos Eisley with a wife and two kids. I always wanted to be a grandmother."
Owen - "Will you lay off the boy, I bet he became a great moisture farmer, stayin home, the simple life, never knowing who his father is."
Suddenly the ghost of Anakin pops up sans armor
Owen - "Oh crap"
fini
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Actress Saoirse Ronan spoke with Empire Online about auditioning for the upcoming "Star Wars: Episode VII" film, and though she didn't really have much to say about it, it's the first real tidbit of concrete "Star Wars" news that's come in weeks.
"Yeah, I did [audition for Star Wars Episode VII]… I don’t know whether I should have said that now! I mean, everyone did. Everyone has auditioned for it," Ronan told Empire. "So many people I know have gone in for the part I’ve gone in for, and guys who’ve gone in for a particular part, so I’d imagine J.J. [Abrams] is probably just scanning the earth to find the people that he needs. But nobody has a clue what it’s about, and nobody’s read the script. So I’ve gone in and read for it, but I have to say, I think it’s the only time I’ve ever thought, ‘You know what? Even if I don’t get it, I had so much fun auditioning, pretending to take out a lightsaber -- out of a bag, kind of inspect it and not know what it is. That was… that was great. A lightsaber! Star Wars!"
Interesting.. take a light sabre out and pretend you don't know what it is.. the next generation of Skywalker discovering the jedi ways?
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I think my greatest wish for a new star wars feature / trilogy would be for them to dial down the CGI wherever possible. I loved the different planet scenes in the original trilogy because you could buy into it taking place on some foreign planet or location, and at the same time it was all real and looked real on screen. No green screen sets or computerized environments. Only the space/ship scenes which were done with figurines and worked for that purpose. I just hope they don't take it to the extreme. The prequels, aside from a mediocre script, just didn't look or feel real. So computerized, so artificial. I hated that.
But being that it's Star Wars, that's probably a farfetched wish. Especially if Abram's latest Star Trek is any indication.
I would agree, I think that the first movie has to be more character driven then big massive battles and effects. Re-introduce the characters from the OT, throw in some heartbreak and a possible fall and set up the next two movies for the schism that's going to come.
I would prefer that they didn't bring back prior villian's leave them dead. No re-animated Sidious, nor Anakin, nor the rumored Plageous.
If you want to bring back Kenobi, either a brief force ghost or better yet a Holocron recording. No force ghosts with Sidious. I have this whole story line idea that brings him back briefly in the first movie as a key part of bringing the galaxy down, but without a force ghost or a clone or anything like that.
I just want a simple story, some heroism, uncertainty about the Jedi's role in the galaxy and one last Han Solo adventure.
Then pass the series on to a new set of hero's and villians.
Oh yeah, I'd like to see Luke's broken and cut up body.
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I agree with all of that, especially if the Ewoks make a return... my boy Wicket W. Warrick is too good for CGI. Hell Warwick Davis is still around, he can come back.
Look at how bad ass he is:
Who wouldn't want these guys backing them up in any battle:
Costumes > CGI.
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Star Wars was interesting in 1977 because Lucas was taking his childhood memories of great classic black & white action/adventure serials and creating a science fiction film based on those classic Hollywood films. That's where you get scrolling text intro, that's why you get the screen wipes, that's why you have swashbuckling heroes doing sword fights, that's why you have Millennium Falcon ball turret sequences (homage to WWII bomber films), etc. It was an homage to what he was a fan of in his childhood put into a new and different setting. It's the same story with Indiana Jones.
All the new movies have lost that original creative spirit and instead of working with that classic romantic action/adventure archetype, their goal was to build off the original trilogy and it's lore. That's where they are falling short because all they are doing is aping the overwrought tropes of Star Wars over and over again so everything looks like a pale imitation or a failed attempt at fan service. The prequels were too fanatical about building a history and continuity for the series so we got a bunch boring sequences about politics mixed in with characters designed to sell the franchise to children and it was a horrible mess. Then just to prove that they were more concerned with lore and continuity than actually creating strong characters and stories, all they did was dilute it all by reverse editing the original movies to fit in with the new prequel lore.
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To be fair to them, there's no way you're doing Coruscant without CGI unless it's gonna be like a cheap Star Trek episode and they never go outside.
The look of Coruscant was a straight rip-off of blade runner, which did just fine without CGI. CGI is a lot easier, so I'd agree that you can't realistically expect a non-CGI Coruscant, but it'd be awesome if they did.
I agree with all of that, especially if the Ewoks make a return... my boy Wicket W. Warrick is too good for CGI. Hell Warwick Davis is still around, he can come back.
What I mean are the same issue with the Hobbit vs. LOTR
CGI Orcs/Creatures with voice actors - vs - Real actors with an amazing make up job
CGI / Elaborate Greenscreen Sets - vs - Just good old location shooting (which was amazing because NZ has some amazing sights.)
And cities/fortresses were made with giant models, which was also cool.
The visual experience in LOTR was far more real looking and enjoyable and not too over saturated to look real. Just as the location shot scenes in SW were way better than the computer decorated Naboo/Coruscant/Planet scenes in the prequels. Some parts will require CG work like Coruscant if they go there, but most of SW seems to take place in locales that are far less complex or populated and should be done with location shoots, like the originals.
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I keep going through scenarios in Star Wars and especially the new movies, I really think jumping right into a hidden evil Sith, or Palpatine returning as a ghost or Palpatines master as the villian would just be eye rolling and basically take a big crap on everything that the OT illustrated, and even the PT laid out. It would make Anakin's redemption nearly pointless in the grand scheme of things.
I really believe that the villian in the first movie needs to be something ordinary but overwhelming. A pirate threat, or to borrow from the OR era, the Mandolores reborn conquoring planet after planet. Maybe the Jedi don't see it as something they should be involved in, this doesn't involve force users, and the last time that the Jedi joined a war they were betrayed and cast down.
Maybe you introduce Ben Skywalker or another young Jedi Knight who has a disagreement with Luke's peace at all costs message and stay out of the war message. They want to do the right thing which is stop the killing and they should be using their power to enforce the peace not just talk about it.
Maybe this Ben Skywalker and Jaina Solo goto war against the Mandolore's or pirates or whatever in a losing cause, then they vanish.
Of course Luke goes out to find them, at some point he arrives at Korriban and heads to an ancient temple and he walks in and finds his son and his niece. Ben starts to argue that he's doing what has to be done to bring peace to the Galaxy. Luke argues that there's limits and the force is screaming that Ben's way isn't the way. Tempers flair and a massive light sabre fight erupts between Luke and his son while his niece Jaina watches with interest. At first its a normal fight then suddenly Ben is throwing lightning and he's clearly stronger and faster then his day (we can have a training fight at the start of the movie where Luke easily over powers his son).
Suddenly Luke is battered down, Ben takes his sword arm and Luke looks up at his son with a pleading look on his face and asks his son why. Ben calmly responds that he's going to bring peace and justice and security to a galaxy that has never seen it. And to do it he must do horrible things. Then he rams Luke through the chest with his light saber.
Then Ben And Jaina go and kneel in front of a Sith Holocron that flickers to life with the image of Palpatine, not Sideous but Palpatine who starts speaking "As I told you my friends sometimes you have to do horrible things and sacrifice the ones you love to bring true order to the galaxy. You must ruthlessly stamp out people that don't have the same goal of peace and justice as you. I believe I have given you all of the training that you need to reach your goals" Then Palpatine vanishes and Ben looks up with slightly yellowed eyed, and Jaina looks at him with even yellower eyes and a peaceful smile and says "Come my apprentice we have much to do"
Then the credits roll.
First of all it bridges the gap between movies while finally ending Luke. We have a credible new force threat. We have a massive military threat in the mandolores or pirates.
We can get Han and Leia involved in a attempt to redeem the new Sith.
Maybe we can fit in another Jedi who's unsure of himself who becomes the new Trilogy hero.
We only need one or two major battles (actually slaughters)
Where does Ben Kenobi come into play. Maybe he appears in a Holocron, maybe he appears to Luke before he goes on his mission to find his son with a dire warning.
Palpatine can still show up in the Sith Holocron to give advice, laugh evilly and all that.
I would love to have a scene where Han comes home from work and goes to kiss Leia as he walks across a wookie carpet (goes back to can you get this walking carpet out of my way)
One of the first things that the new Sith do in the second movie is end the Ewok infestation of the Galaxy forever.
This story would borrow literally from the Darth Reven storyline as well.
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I really don't know anything about the expanded universe except for bits and pieces because it's never interested me but with so much established canon, and with a lot of it established by Lucas' official input, do the producers have to go that route? If they are hand-cuffed by that universe, then all the plot points would already be known.
Can they just scrap all the expanded universe and Lucas's meddling for the past 30 years and come up with an all-new story for Star Wars?
Let's just reboot the damn thing too while we're at it and do it properly.
Suddenly Luke is battered down, Ben takes his sword arm and Luke looks up at his son with a pleading look on his face and asks his son why. Ben calmly responds that he's going to bring peace and justice and security to a galaxy that has never seen it. And to do it he must do horrible things. Then he rams Luke through the chest with his light saber.
Then Ben And Jaina go and kneel in front of a Sith Holocron that flickers to life with the image of Palpatine, not Sideous but Palpatine who starts speaking "As I told you my friends sometimes you have to do horrible things and sacrifice the ones you love to bring true order to the galaxy. You must ruthlessly stamp out people that don't have the same goal of peace and justice as you. I believe I have given you all of the training that you need to reach your goals" Then Palpatine vanishes and Ben looks up with slightly yellowed eyed, and Jaina looks at him with even yellower eyes and a peaceful smile and says "Come my apprentice we have much to do"
Then the credits roll.
First of all it bridges the gap between movies while finally ending Luke. We have a credible new force threat. We have a massive military threat in the mandolores or pirates.
We can get Han and Leia involved in a attempt to redeem the new Sith.
I think you just ripped off the entire expanded universe storyline but replaced Han/Leia's son (Jacen Solo) with Ben Skywalker as the one that goes bad and kills everybody.
Actually I more took the Reven story line of his fall over doing the right thing and fighting the Mandolorians, threw in a little bit of the Jaicen stuff (most of the legacy series was terrible) and put it out there.
We all know that there is going to be a force war, the whole universe is centered around the fact that the whole concept of bringing balance to the force will always involved Dark and Light Force users battling for all eternity with the non force users as pawns.
I don't know if there's a story without force users. I mean they are literally the uber humans they block blaster shots, they're faster, they can move objects with their minds and they see into the future, they will literally always win in the end because the will of the force won't let the last one get wiped out.
I admit it, I retro upgraded a couple of old stories.
As far as the EU goes, it literally doesn't mean much in the movie series, even Lucas has said it pretty much takes place in an alternate universe. We saw that when the prequels pretty much kicked the crap out of the first EU book series which featured Thrawn, especially when it came to the clone wars.
We did see a lot of nods to the EU in the clone wars cartoon series, but that's because a lot of the EU clone wars era was written with the cartoon as the source of canon.
Personally and here is my nerd rant. The EU stuff in the luke era is terrible because there was very little control over the writers because of the whole alternative universe theory. Suddenly every bad writer was given creative license to add things that made no sense. Sith ghosts (goes against original canon that the Sith couldn't join the force as a ghost because it required being selfless) moving spirits to other bodies in the horrible dark empire series where the writing was based around a Palpatine fan boy that couldn't let the Emperor go. We had super weapon frenzies that had to outdo the Death star like the invulnerable Star Crusher and the world devastators and the worst the hutts building a death star core. The far future stuff with Luke's off spring weren't bad but they weren't bad because they had a cool concept of the Sith. The Old Republic stuff is really well written and is lore based and has been accepted. The Darth Bane series was outstanding and gave you a philosophical of the Sith, but then they went to far with the whole throwaway line by Windu that the oppression of the Sith would not return. Suddenly a whole new empire sprung up out of no where and an immortal Sith Emperor that made Palpatine look like a pixie waving a magic wand.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Galaxy Far Far Away. I cringed a bit at the prequels, but thought that they had some outstanding concepts with some bad execution (NOOOOOOOO)
But at the end of the day, the Star Wars galaxy is about the battle between ultimate good and ultimate evil drawn together by an energy field that binds the galaxy together and ultimately maintains the balance.
For the next series there almost has to be dark force users (Even though I ague that the Sith can't return because they were destroyed due to the rule of two limiting their knowledge) and light side users in an eternal struggle that can't be won by either side permanently. Any other type of mundane villain will be swept away by Ubermen with magical powers.
And yes to an extent it makes things a bit limited and repetitious, but nothing else makes much sense unless you start making individual movies like they planned with Han Solo in some smuggling adventure, or the droids doing something zany, or Leia introducing a universal health care plan in the republic senate and being blocked by the evil right wing bring back the empire party (come on who doesn't want to see a two hour movie where some former storm trooper filibusters the senate when he reads the book the lost little bantha (EU yo).
My only feverant wish is that Luke dies so that we can see a new hero, that Han Solo does something really cool with a wisecrack or two, and that we have a very cool and sinister enemy that's not a ghost or a clone of or a son of Palpatines with light sabers surgically implanted in his elbows and knees.
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