Rumor Philadelphia interested in Glencross

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

My god man.

Iginla, Glencross, Baertschi.

If it was up to you, we'd roll 4 lines of Matt Stajan.

What the heck are you talking about?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't know about that. Sven so far to me looks too weak on the puck to be an impact player in the NHL. He get's outmuscled off the puck easier than any player in recent memory. Heck the diminutive Paul Byron looks like a wrecking ball in comparison. Sven looks okay off the rush and when he's in space but he's useless on the boards and the reason he slipped to 13 in the draft wasn't because of his skill it was because scouts were a little worried about his size and strength. I imagine as he matures and gets stronger this will improve but this is never going to be an issue with Schenn who happens to be a player that's been well over a ppg in his entire career of junior and AHL and looks to be a pretty solid bet to be a player with 70-90 point potential.

Mikael Backlund prior to last season. With the patience shown to Mikael, and the fact that he's only now turning into a pretty special player, I'm excited to watch this organization develop someone as talented as Baertschi.

[AltaGuy]

My best guess on Baertschi is that he has added too much muscle to his frame in the offseason. Adding a lot of muscle may have decreased his speed, shiftiness, and balance, but made him no more likely to win puck battles along the boards against much larger opponents.

A total guess, but it has happened to players in the past. I still think he will break out huge at some point. Maybe toward the end of this season if he loses the weight over the course of it.

[Ozy_Flame]

I think Sven needs a full season to realize the temperature of a consistent NHL-level experience. I believe once he figures out the pace and physical expectations, he's going to round out and get comfortable in his skates.

I would be very confident in saying that he's probably sniper-focused on trying to round out the deficiencies in his game, as would any player who is trying to stay with the team. I'm sure Hartley, his teammates and his agent (not to mention Burke) have already planted the idea in his head that he has to be better in the other zones of the ice, and he's working to grow on those. Let's not forget that this guy is also a pretty creative offensive player, so when he figures out how to play a solid backcheck with his offensive style, he's going to be dynamite. Give it time.

I predict a mediocre first half of the season, but will be picking it up quite well in the second half. I predict a 10 goal, 35 point performance for his first full NHL season. And that's not a bad thing.

[FlameZilla]

Bærtschi looks absolutely fine to me. He looks young out there & physically he doesn't stack up to the NHL just yet, but the only way to season a player like him is to let him play & adapt.

Regarding Glencross, if he can fetch a good return from Philly I see no reason not to trade him.

[flamesfan1297]

If we can get a good return for him then i see no problem with the trade. We would need someone young and with a good future

[$ven27]

Glencross for B. Schenn would be the type of deal that would make management consider asking him to waive his NTC IMO

[BlackWallStreet]

I'll do it man, got glenny on my speed dial... its ringing...

[ricardodw]

How good is Brayden Schenn? or how big of a disappointment is he so far?

Mike Richards was dumped by the Flyers. They were disappointed in him.

At the same age and point in their careers -- 4 years after being drafted

Richards 290 NHL games, 79 goals , 221 pts.

Schenn 110 games 20 goals 46 pts


There is a point where Schenn has to actually deliver.... he is a great prospect but if in 4 years Monahan is at the Schenn level everyone at CP will be terribly disappointed.


For me there was a big question when in the 2010-11 WHL playoffs Max Rienhart went head to head with Schenn and won both the individual and team battle. Rienhart is a full year younger than Schenn and a 3rd round pick not #5 overall.


PS. A team that is not pushing to win the SC in the next 2 years can wait another 2 years for Schenn to deliver.

A GM/management team that is spending to the cap and has signed a wack of high priced over 30 guys for the push will all be fired if Schenn does not reach his potential this year.

Holgrem has already done the first panic firing of the coach.... If after 20 games the Flyers are not in a playoff spot???

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

How good is Brayden Schenn? or how big of a disappointment is he so far?

Mike Richards was dumped by the Flyers. They were disappointed in him.

At the same age and point in their careers -- 4 years after being drafted

Richards 290 NHL games, 79 goals , 221 pts.

Schenn 110 games 20 goals 46 pts


There is a point where Schenn has to actually deliver.... he is a great prospect but if in 4 years Monahan is at the Schenn level everyone at CP will be terribly disappointed.


For me there was a big question when in the 2010-11 WHL playoffs Max Rienhart went head to head with Schenn and won both the individual and team battle. Rienhart is a full year younger than Schenn and a 3rd round pick not #5 overall.

To be fair though wasn't Richards traded due to off ice issues as opposed to on ice issues.

Tough comparison as by all accounts we haven't heard stories of Schenn partying it up.

If you could get a Brayden Schenn from Philadelphia I think you evaluate the cost but you likely are considering that trade. Besides Richards didn't work out to bad for LA. He is wearing a Stanley Cup ring. Maybe it's more of an issue of how Philadelphia develops or use there young centers too?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

How good is Brayden Schenn? or how big of a disappointment is he so far?

Mike Richards was dumped by the Flyers. They were disappointed in him.

At the same age and point in their careers -- 4 years after being drafted

Richards 290 NHL games, 79 goals , 221 pts.

Schenn 110 games 20 goals 46 pts

These numbers are completely wrong though.

Richards was drafted in 2003 and played the next two seasons in the OHL.

The actual numbers for Richards 4 years post draft: 138 GP, 21 goals, 66 pts.

So Richards was a little better 4 years post draft but you were way off with your numbers.

Plus Schenn had a lockout shortened season in there so that limits his GP and numbers a little bit.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Mike Richards was dumped by the Flyers. They were disappointed in him.

At the same age and point in their careers -- 4 years after being drafted

Richards 290 NHL games, 79 goals , 221 pts.

.

Richards on ice play had nothing to do with the Flyers dumping him, nothing at all.

Trust me on this.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

These numbers are completely wrong though.

Richards was drafted in 2003 and played the next two seasons in the OHL.

The actual numbers for Richards 4 years post draft: 138 GP, 21 goals, 66 pts.

So Richards was a little better 4 years post draft but you were way off with your numbers.

Plus Schenn had a lockout shortened season in there so that limits his GP and numbers a little bit.

oops This year Schenn need to have 28 goals and 75 pts in 73 games...

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

oops This year Schenn need to have 28 goals and 75 pts in 73 games...

Unlikely but possible.

In the year before his breakout season Richards was:

59 GP 10 Goals 32 Points

pretty much identical to Schenns numbers last year:

47 GP 8 Goals 26 points.

Schenn actually had slightly better PPG and GPG in their respective 4th seasons in the league but the numbers were pretty much identical.

What would hold Schenn back from hitting those numbers this season is that he has to share his PP time a lot more with the roster they have then Richards would have in his breakout season.

IMO this would be the best possible time to trade for Schenn. He seems primed to breakout offensively and already plays a strong 200 ft game but due to high expectations, getting surpassed on the roster by Giroux, Lecavalier, Coutourier at C, and by not having great offensive numbers yet he is undervalued.

[stemit14]

It would be great to get schenn but not at the cost of baertschi... I would consider this: schenn + mazaros for glencross + 2nd round pick. We take a bad contract and they get a 25+ goal scorer in his prime (with a crazy low cap hit) and a pick that most people think will be 31st overall. Remember that the guys that the flames are likely to trade at the deadline are likely to fetch 2nd/3rd round picks so the flames can make up for losing their own 2nd round pick later on.

[Poe969]

Our first and second round picks have to be off the table for a few years unless they're getting something pretty good back. If we were to take Mezaros, they'd give value with him. I could see that deal going on but maybe a 3rd rounder.

[Vinny01]

I don't see any way the flames can get Schenn or Couturier with Glencross as the main piece going the other way. If we are movin just Glennie we would be lucky to get Simmonds but most likely it is Coburn

[_Q_]

I think, we're at the point where we don't need Schenn and Couturier in the organization. Getting decent defencemen, right wingers and goalies of the Schenn/Couturier calibre should be more important in my opinion.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by stemit14

It would be great to get schenn but not at the cost of baertschi... I would consider this: schenn + mazaros for glencross + 2nd round pick. We take a bad contract and they get a 25+ goal scorer in his prime (with a crazy low cap hit) and a pick that most people think will be 31st overall. Remember that the guys that the flames are likely to trade at the deadline are likely to fetch 2nd/3rd round picks so the flames can make up for losing their own 2nd round pick later on.

You do realize that Feaster is the GM and not Darryl Sutter, right?

Try this instead. Schenn + Mezsaros for Glencross + 4th round pick.

[The Yen Man]

I think people are seriously dreaming if they think we can get either Couturier or B. Schenn with Glencross as a centre piece. If you were the Flyers, would you? I mean, I guess stranger things have happened, but I really doubt it.