Rumor Philadelphia interested in Glencross

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Sharp was a very good player in the NHL long before he played a few minutes a game with Kane and Toews. Glencross doesn't have anywhere near the discipline or defensive acumen to be a Patrick Sharp. There are players who are dialed in whenever they are on the ice. And there are players who are dialed in only when they have the puck on their stick. Sharp is one kind. Glencross is the other.

First of all, you're totally missing my very small and very simple point that Sharp would be less consistent point wise if he didn't play with other highly skilled players. I never once said Sharp wasn't a better player then Glencross, I wasn't suggesting that at all. I take Sharp every day of the week and twice on Sunday's.

Second of all, Sharp was okay NHL player before he started playing with those two, not very good. He was basically a third line player. He had 20 goals and 30 points and was a -15. Not bad for a 24 year old but hardly the very good player you're pretending he was. It was the next season, the season playing with the teenage Kane and Toews that Sharp really blew out offensively.

Third point... Glencross used to be a player that was dialed in when he didn't have the puck, he was a buzz saw. Unfortunately that was when he was fighting for an NHL job and had something to prove season-to-season.

[noreply]

If his brain fart give away had happened against any other team and not the Canucks I doubt this would be a topic here. Just shows a player signs their own death warrant when it comes to giving the Canucks the game...

[Wastedyouth]

It is an ongoing enjoyment of mine to see CP constantly bitch and moan about Glencross. He is a player coveted by 29 other teams in the NHL. Yet he is regarded as a "lazy" "uninvolved" player by many.

What a joke.

[stemit14]

Would need to be a great offer for the flames to approach glencross to ask him to waive his NTC. Glencross loves playing in Calgary - rebuild year or not. Plus, his value will only go up as the season goes on. His cap hit is only 2.55 million!! That's a huge steal for a guy that can score 25+ goals consistently without playing with legit top centremen.

I think the flames would be willing to take a bad contract (Mezaros) in return but they would need to get at least a 1st round pick or Sean Cotourier in exchange. Remember, Feaster would still have to convince him to waive.

P.S. I still think baertschi needs to be an untouchable... He's creating scoring chances every game for the flames and has played great defensively to start the season. Great chemistry with Monahan. This kid has sooo much upside that I think it would be a huge mistake to give up on him so early.

[BBQorMILDEW]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

It is an ongoing enjoyment of mine to see CP constantly bitch and moan about Glencross. He is a player coveted by 29 other teams in the NHL. Yet he is regarded as a "lazy" "uninvolved" player by many.

What a joke.

I'd say that the one thing that has plagued Glencross his whole career is consistency. One game he's a monster and the next, he's invisible.

I still wouldn't trade him though.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by BBQorMILDEW

I'd say that the one thing that has plagued Glencross his whole career is consistency. One game he's a monster and the next, he's invisible.

I still wouldn't trade him though.

He's an excellent middle 6 player. One of the best in the league. If he had the consistency that you think he should have he would be a top line LWer.

He has the same consistency issues that every middle 6 LWer has in this league.

It is laughable to think every player should be 100% for every game of an 82 game season. Im thinking you are just seeing Glencross in a fishbowl because you see him more than any other player of his skill level in the NHL as a Flames fan.

[Gary83]

If Glencross was a consistent player he'd easily be making 5M+. He isn't consistent, so there's a reason he has his current cap hit, ignoring the hometown discount.

[killer_carlson]

Outside of Monahan, there is no Flame with higher trade value than Glencross.

His output is consistent, he can score 20 goals from the second line. He will be the fastest skater on most teams. He is a great penalty killer. His contract is one of the best in the entire league.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

All I will say is the Flames would regret the day they ever traded Sven Baertschi. No way in hell B. Schenn will ever have the skill that Sven does.

I don't know about that. Sven so far to me looks too weak on the puck to be an impact player in the NHL. He get's outmuscled off the puck easier than any player in recent memory. Heck the diminutive Paul Byron looks like a wrecking ball in comparison. Sven looks okay off the rush and when he's in space but he's useless on the boards and the reason he slipped to 13 in the draft wasn't because of his skill it was because scouts were a little worried about his size and strength. I imagine as he matures and gets stronger this will improve but this is never going to be an issue with Schenn who happens to be a player that's been well over a ppg in his entire career of junior and AHL and looks to be a pretty solid bet to be a player with 70-90 point potential.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't know about that. Sven so far to me looks too weak on the puck to be an impact player in the NHL. He get's outmuscled off the puck easier than any player in recent memory. Heck the diminutive Paul Byron looks like a wrecking ball in comparison. Sven looks okay off the rush and when he's in space but he's useless on the boards and the reason he slipped to 13 in the draft wasn't because of his skill it was because scouts were a little worried about his size and strength. I imagine as he matures and gets stronger this will improve but this is never going to be an issue with Schenn who happens to be a player that's been well over a ppg in his entire career of junior and AHL and looks to be a pretty solid bet to be a player with 70-90 point potential.

?? The biggest improvement I've noticed is his strength with the puck. In fact, in the last game I don't think I saw a single turnover

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

?? The biggest improvement I've noticed is his strength with the puck. In fact, in the last game I don't think I saw a single turnover

His effort level looked higher but strength isn't something that is going to happen overnight. I'm not advocating him being traded but I found the comment I quoted above a little over the top as B. Schenn was for a couple of years touted as the best player outside the NHL so it's not like he's chopped liver.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

His effort level looked higher but strength isn't something that is going to happen overnight. I'm not advocating him being traded but I found the comment I quoted above a little over the top as B. Schenn was for a couple of years touted as the best player outside the NHL so it's not like he's chopped liver.

Agreed there. Right now until I see otherwise B Schenn>>Baertschi

[TheGrimm]

Originally Posted by moon

Sure if Sven keeps this up for more than 1/4 of a season then it becomes closer but at this point Sven has yet to play even a full 42 game lockout season and Schenn has played over 100 games. One is clearly established as an NHLer and one is trying to establish that this year.

Just to play the devil's advocate here...

Schenn had 20 pts in his first 63 games in the league (after his first quasi-full season was complete)

Sven has had 14 pts in his first 28 games in the league.

It could be construed that thus far, Sven is showing better upside potential than Schenn.

I think right now Sven's biggest problem is between his ears, watching him play he looks like he's lost that confident edge, similar to what happened with Backlund a few years ago. Not every player responds well to public humiliation.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Corral

Baertschi will not be superstar. Hakan Loob at best.

Well if Sven ends up scoring 50 goals in his best season I will be ok with that.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't know about that. Sven so far to me looks too weak on the puck to be an impact player in the NHL. He get's outmuscled off the puck easier than any player in recent memory. Heck the diminutive Paul Byron looks like a wrecking ball in comparison. Sven looks okay off the rush and when he's in space but he's useless on the boards and the reason he slipped to 13 in the draft wasn't because of his skill it was because scouts were a little worried about his size and strength. I imagine as he matures and gets stronger this will improve but this is never going to be an issue with Schenn who happens to be a player that's been well over a ppg in his entire career of junior and AHL and looks to be a pretty solid bet to be a player with 70-90 point potential.

My god man.

Iginla, Glencross, Baertschi.

If it was up to you, we'd roll 4 lines of Matt Stajan.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

They are definitely a cap crunched team and have several players the Flaems could have interest in

Schenn's, Couturier, Simmonds, Coburn, Read, Voracek

I also could see Read coming the other way.

[ricardodw]

As for Glencross's value he has consistently put up top 25 in the league LW scoring .

Someone mentioned that he has done this without a 1st line centre.

That is not true.

Starting back with 37 year old Conroy in 2008-09 whoever gets to be Glencross's centre becomes the Flames best centre.

Last year Stempniak and Stajan came back from being useless players on their last NHL contract to extending their careers ..... their linemate just happened to Glencross.

Ben freakin Street is playing at the NHL level......... (with Glencross)


The year before Jokinen has his great 60+ pt season and becomes the best UFA center.... why his #1 line mate happens to be Glencross.

The simple fact that Glencross makes his linemates significantly better than they are when they don't play with them is not to be made light of.


Will Brayden Schenn make Vinny L or Giroux or Couturier better??? Glencross almost certainly would.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't know about that. Sven so far to me looks too weak on the puck to be an impact player in the NHL. He get's outmuscled off the puck easier than any player in recent memory. Heck the diminutive Paul Byron looks like a wrecking ball in comparison. Sven looks okay off the rush and when he's in space but he's useless on the boards and the reason he slipped to 13 in the draft wasn't because of his skill it was because scouts were a little worried about his size and strength. I imagine as he matures and gets stronger this will improve but this is never going to be an issue with Schenn who happens to be a player that's been well over a ppg in his entire career of junior and AHL and looks to be a pretty solid bet to be a player with 70-90 point potential.

Backlund of 2008-2011 anyone? And he is finally looking better. Strength can be developed and some guys don't get it until their early/mid 20s ("old man" strength haha). No you can't teach big (as burke likes to point out) but it does sometimes take a skilled player a few years to develop the strength required to play in the NHL. I agree with your points that Sven looks weak on the boards and that Schenn is a good player. Sven has more raw skill (which could mean nothing if he doesn't get stronger) and Schenn is a more well-rounded player that will play in the league a long time.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Would need to be a great offer for the flames to approach glencross to ask him to waive his NTC. Glencross loves playing in Calgary - rebuild year or not. Plus, his value will only go up as the season goes on. His cap hit is only 2.55 million!! That's a huge steal for a guy that can score 25+ goals consistently without playing with legit top centremen.

I think the flames would be willing to take a bad contract (Mezaros) in return but they would need to get at least a 1st round pick or Sean Cotourier in exchange. Remember, Feaster would still have to convince him to waive.

I agree with your overall point, but I don't think that his value will increase as the season goes on. Due to his reasonable contract, I think he's actually more valuable if a team can have him for a larger portion of the season. I could see Philly making a short-sighted deal (their specialty) of Cotourier for Glencross now in hopes that they could make some noise this year, but they wouldn't do that later in the season if it looks like they're out of the running.

[Poe969]

Someone needs to tell Glencross that people aren't happy and some people want him traded.

He'll hear that, get PO'ed and score a hat trick tomorrow night agains the habs