10-07-2013, 10:02 AM
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I believe in the Jays.
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He's been a fine coach... I mean really he's coached a team that's snagged 4 out of a possible 6 so far, that's expected to finish at the bottom of the league, and the games have been entertaining.
Not sure what more he could realistically have done at this point.
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10-07-2013, 10:05 AM
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#42
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
We're taking away two of your first line players and the most talented player left is going to start the year injured.
We're going to give you a backup and an unknown, unproven goalie to work with.
We're taking away your best defenseman and we're only giving you 4 NHL defensemen to work with.
In summary, we're giving you what is arguably the weakest lineup in the NHL.
We want you to instill a sense of work ethic and meritocracy that has been woefully absent from this franchise for the last few years.
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Fast forward to three games in...
The team has been entertaining, hard working, and is unbeaten in regulation. They have bought into the system, bonded as a team, and are possibly in better shape than any other team.
But a 4th liner, who was on the ice longer than he should have been, tried to pass through Sedin instead of chipping it up the boards.
You're fired.
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Lol, this is tough to argue.
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10-07-2013, 10:06 AM
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#43
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada!
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Hartley seems to have the control over the team that a coach should have, players look like they are buying in. Not sure that our loses had much to do with being out coached.
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10-07-2013, 10:11 AM
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#44
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I believe in the Jays.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Kitsilano
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I really don't mind Hartley. He is a players coach and the guys playing on the ice right now look pretty motivated. I can't remember the last time I saw a Flames team compete for an entire game three games in a row like this version of the Flames have. The D has been a bit of a sideshow and goaltending has been average, but i like the jam this team has so far, and I like Hartley's attitude.
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10-07-2013, 10:19 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: STH since 2002
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I have no problems with Hartley and this young hard working squad that is a product of the coaches laying down what they they expect and are teaching.
Hartley is all right in my books and i like his straight forward personality.
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10-07-2013, 10:23 AM
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#46
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Sylvan Lake
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Really 3 games in, 4 out of 6 points secured............
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10-07-2013, 10:29 AM
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#47
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First Line Centre
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I think Hartley will survive this year and then be replaced by Ron Wilson or Marc Crawford.
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10-07-2013, 10:43 AM
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#48
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Franchise Player
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Are you kidding me?! This is ridiculous. Out coached? The Canucks have a top level roster and we have the 2nd lowest cap in the whole league.
Hartley should be commended for the start to this season, not slammed.
Your train of thought is not only flat out wrong, it's freaking ridiculous. "Blame the coach" for an OT loss against one of the best teams in the league whilst we're icing a roster with no #1 d-man, no #1 centre, no #1 goalie, no first line...like...just...
  
This team is working harder and playing more as a team than any of the other iterations in the last 5 years - and they're doing it with a terrible roster. Blame the coach?!
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10-07-2013, 10:45 AM
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#49
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Sylvan Lake
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Are you kidding me?! This is ridiculous. Out coached? The Canucks have a top level roster and we have the 2nd lowest cap in the whole league.
Hartley should be commended for the start to this season, not slammed.
Your train of thought is not only flat out wrong, it's freaking ridiculous. "Blame the coach" for an OT loss against one of the best teams in the league whilst we're icing a roster with no #1 d-man, no #1 centre, no #1 goalie, no first line...like...just...
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Are you saying Hartley didn't tell Wideman to stumble and miss his check on the game winner?
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10-07-2013, 10:47 AM
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#50
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
Are you saying Hartley didn't tell Wideman to stumble and miss his check on the game winner?
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Or the Glencross giveaway...or the Stempniak turn over...or the McGrattan turn over...
...blame the coach?!   shoes!
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10-07-2013, 10:55 AM
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#51
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: STH since 2002
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Blaming Hartley for any of the 3 games is absurd. If anything he is getting the most out of the bulk of this roster.
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10-07-2013, 11:04 AM
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#52
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Often Thinks About Pickles
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Or the Glencross giveaway...or the Stempniak turn over...or the McGrattan turn over...
...blame the coach?! shoes! |
Of course. Here on CP, with some posters it's never the players fault... its the coach's.
It was never Iggy's fault our team played the way they did... it was the coach's fault. Five coaches later and it was still the coach's fault.
Guess what? Iggy's gone and the team is finally playing like a team, working their asses off, and playing the whole 60 minutes. Is that due to coaching? Nope. Just a coincidence.
Hartley has done wonders with this team. I've enjoyed watching every game so far. I don't care if they lose every game this year as long as they keep playing with the drive and enthusiasm that Hartley has instilled into his players. They've been a pleasure to watch (for a change)... mistakes and all.
Bravo Hartley... keep up the good work!
P.S. I wonder how many people on this board would take Iggy back now? Not me. IMHO, Iggy was a coach killer. Glad he's gone. Let the good times roll.
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10-07-2013, 11:05 AM
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#53
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
And he gives them 10 minutes a night and no PP time?
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He's making them earn it. If they keep up their strong play, there's no doubt that they see more PP time and more ice time in general. It's an 82 game schedule, there's literally no rush.
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10-07-2013, 11:05 AM
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#54
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: 127.0.0.1
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There is no right coach for this team, never was, never will be. Just ask CP.
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Pass the bacon.
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10-07-2013, 11:08 AM
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#55
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Hartley obviously has the team buying into their identity as a hard working bunch of underdogs with an all for one philosophy. That is no small feat. He's got the young guys playing with confidence. Coaching is the least of the team's concerns right now.
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-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
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10-07-2013, 11:10 AM
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#56
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RANDOM USER TITLE CHANGE
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: South Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rerun
Of course. Here on CP, with some posters it's never the players fault... its the coach's.
It was never Iggy's fault our team played the way they did... it was the coach's fault. Five coaches later and it was still the coach's fault.
Guess what? Iggy's gone and the team is finally playing like a team, working their asses off, and playing the whole 60 minutes. Is that due to coaching? Nope. Just a coincidence.
Hartley has done wonders with this team. I've enjoyed watching every game so far. I don't care if they lose every game this year as long as they keep playing with the drive and enthusiasm that Hartley has instilled into his players. They've been a pleasure to watch (for a change)... mistakes and all.
Bravo Hartley... keep up the good work!
P.S. I wonder how many people on this board would take Iggy back now? Not me. IMHO, Iggy was a coach killer. Glad he's gone. Let the good times roll.
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Swap Iggy's name with Bouwmeester and you've got just as valid an argument. In fact, the team started missing the playoffs when they added Jay and a full season of Jokinen. 
There's definitely reasons the coaches Calgary employed after Darryl Sutter aren't currently head coaches of other teams, and 2 of the 3 before Hartley made the playoffs.
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10-07-2013, 11:11 AM
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#57
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Franchise Player
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Can't blame him for the mistakes last night...if BM would have made an easy pass up the boards and came off the ice we wouldn't be talking about him being "out coached" look at the lineups
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10-07-2013, 11:14 AM
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#58
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
He's making them earn it. If they keep up their strong play, there's no doubt that they see more PP time and more ice time in general. It's an 82 game schedule, there's literally no rush.
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It's almost as if the team is less prone to panicking than some of the fans are...
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10-07-2013, 11:16 AM
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#59
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
It's almost as if the team is less prone to panicking than some of the fans are...
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The phrase 'welcome change' springs to mind.
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10-07-2013, 11:23 AM
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Often Thinks About Pickles
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil
Swap Iggy's name with Bouwmeester and you've got just as valid an argument. In fact, the team started missing the playoffs when they added Jay and a full season of Jokinen.
There's definitely reasons the coaches Calgary employed after Darryl Sutter aren't currently head coaches of other teams, and 2 of the 3 before Hartley made the playoffs. |
Iggy was the captain (the others weren't) and the team generally follows the captain's lead. If the captain doesn't buy in, neither will the rest of the team. Iggy just did his own thing, no matter what the coach wanted.
Fortunately this team now has a new captain and he is playing the way the coach wants.... and the rest of the team is following his lead.
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