I've played music professionally for years and would like to put in my two cents if I may.
I agree with Polak that EDM music requires great creativity to come up with hooks/melodies/beats/engineering.
But on the other hand I think DJ has a point that "rock" or traditional instrument based musicians require not only same creativity as an EDM artist, but also require more "physical talent" to actually play their respected instruments.
To each their own.
This is just what I mean.
The physical, live, acoustic element.
Creativity regardless of the genre requires talent. But I think there is a lot more raw talent involved when you have no computer to perfect your sound, no metronome to keep you in time, when you have to project the notes yourself physically, there is much more involved than when you're projecting your creations digitally and things are more hands off.
It's a bit stunning that there are not more musicians here that can agree with this at least.
To each their own, but you don't need to shove this down my throat (polak). The manner in which you're doing so is not making me care any more for the genre. And your comment about how simplistic it is to play a guitar sounds like something a person who cannot play (or at least not well) would say. It's easier said than done for a lot of people. Do you play an instrument yourself?
Anyone else like the Dudes Rocky Mountain living? Feel like it should be given way more love given it is a calgary based band and is thematically fitting.
It all comes down to how lame or responsive a crowd reacts to a teams song.
Here is proof, this has to be one of the more unusual fan anthems but it works when the crowd is behind it and most sane people wouldn't piss of West Ham Fans.
I couldn't understand a word they were singing. Is their fan anthem supposed to be unintelligible? And why was half the stadium packed and the other half completely empty?
The fact that you claim that it's just simple looping and "clicking to add a cymbal here and whatever there" tells me that you don't in fact have very much experience with electronic music production. Yes, you might not actually be hitting a cymbal or strumming a chord but a computer does not write a melody, or a chord progression or a beat. When you open up a new project file, guess what? It's blank. You put in every single note and sound and effect that is played. Yeah people use loops on occasion, but that is a skill that compliments the rest of the art. Not very many people get any where by just ripping off loops (it does happen on occasion though, and they are subsequently torn a part by the EDM world)
On top of writing every single aspect of a song - something most "musicians" couldn't dream of doing - Successful EDM producers need to also have expert level knowledge of mixing and mastering, sound design, synth design, FX design and placement and the technical knowledge that their software of choice requires. Again, these are things that most "musicians" don't have a clue about (hence the hired producers that even the biggest, most legendary bands work with).
To say that most EDM productions are "clicking this" and "looping that" is a slap in the face to all the people who use it as their art. I've been playing guitar for 6 years now and guess what, I find EDM production to be on a whole other planet in terms of musicianship.
But hey, playing a guitar is just putting your finger on a fret and strumming a string.
you're right though, it does take talent to produce edm music.
just as it takes talent to play nhl14 at a high level.
that's why we all come to this forum right?
it's not to discuss boring old "analog" hockey is it?
also the fact that you put the word musicians in quotations is very telling for me,
seems like you have an adversarial approach to "musicians"
music is not a product either, it's an art form,
we shouldn't be thinking of it in terms of being a consumable, something to be pumped out, or produced.
"The manner in which Americans "consume" music has a lot to do with leaving
it on their coffee tables, or using it as wallpaper for their lifestyles,
like the score of a movie -- it's consumed that way without any regard for
how and why it was made." - Frank Zappa
Those arguing EDM should be respected on the same level as real, analog music Is in many ways the same as arguing that the NHL games for your Xbox should be treated the same as real life hockey played on the ice.
Exhibit A:
Exhibit B:
It's enjoyable, it's accessible for everyone. But it's not even in the same atmosphere.
Those arguing EDM should be respected on the same level as real, analog music Is in many ways the same as arguing that the NHL games for your Xbox should be treated the same as real life hockey played on the ice.
Exhibit A:
Exhibit B:
It's enjoyable, it's accessible for everyone. But it's not even in the same atmosphere.
Oh god. This is a joke right?
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you're right though, it does take talent to produce edm music. just as it takes talent to play nhl14 at a high level.that's why we all come to this forum right? it's not to discuss boring old "analog" hockey is it?
I don't even know why I'm dignifying this post with a response since you clearly have no idea what you're talking about comparing creating music to a video game but just to prove a point, you compared being good at playing NHL 14 to being able to create music like this:
And for good measure, since the bloody beetroots started this whole discussion...
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Those arguing EDM should be respected on the same level as real, analog music Is in many ways the same as arguing that the NHL games for your Xbox should be treated the same as real life hockey played on the ice.
Exhibit A:
Exhibit B:
It's enjoyable, it's accessible for everyone. But it's not even in the same atmosphere.
What point exactly are your "exhibits" trying to prove? Listen to whatever you want but posting two random pictures with no explanation doesn't help an argument.
Exhibit A:
Exhibit B:
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B (speaking in general terms) could pick up the software (PT8, Reason, Cakewalk, Cubase..) and hardware (mixers, interface, midi boards) and can make music just like A. Whereas most of A probably can't play an instrument or actually sing into a mic without some form of digital correction for their lives. If they can, great. I'd bet that there are some. But I'm willing to bet that a vast majority cannot. I think the reason the handful of great EDM artists that stick out are so highly regarded is because of the vast number in the genre that are absolute puke. And this is my point. For every respectable artist within the genre there seems to be 9 or 10 musically-not-so-great kids with pricey equipment and a lot of time on their hands. Hey, you can do amazing things with these programs. Just about anyone can do it with enough patience and a little creativity. It's a great and fun craft. It allows us to express ourselves in a cool and experimental way when everything is laid out nicely on the software while simultaneously allowing a lot of room for creativity. It's one great thing that the digital age has brought us. And like I said, it is enjoyable to listen to. But as a musician, one definitely commands more respect from me personally than the other for so many reasons.
Some of my favourite artists make electronic music, but the stuff thats popular now (EDM, but I call it techno) is mostly terrible and I think people only like it because it reminds them of their vacations.
I don't really like EMD either but it bothers me how ignorant people can be towards styles of music they hate when they clearly know nothing about the genre before hand.
I tend to connect with music that has either brains, heart or balls (or preferably a combination of all three). It's a generality, but I find "human" music tends to have more of the elements that draw me to music to begin with. I may be old, or just old-fashioned, but EDM sounds flat, tinny, hollow and a little vapid. That said, I appreciate that there is some talent required to make it work. Maybe it's the natural evolution of music?
Re: Goal song
If it's not Rage or Monster Truck I'll be disappointed to the point where I may subconsciously hope the Flames don't score. Or maybe that's just for Ekblad. Go Flames?
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