Season Kick-off pressers Sept 30. Burke @ 11:45 AM. Feaster @ 1 PM

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Kadri is still a brutal defensive player. Nothing changed about that.

He was given a chance in a top 6 role and his offence finally exploded. Management and coaches can't ignore a young guy who played at a point per game pace after 40 games.

He is still brutal defensively, but his offence makes up for it. Like many star offensive players in this league (Stamkos, Kane, etc.)

Gaudreau is going to get absolutely torn apart by the fans of this team. When you start attacking the few bright spot this organization has, before you know it, there will be no bright spots.

Exactly, Kadri didn't sort out his defensive game in its entirety and become a defensive specialist. Burke and the leafs didn't make that an exit criteria to make it to the big show, but did preach it as an important facet of his game that needed to improve. It also gave him the time to mature even his offense (he was miles ahead last season, than he was the year before).

I didn't get to watch all the last 15 or so games, but in whatever games i did watch of baertchi, he didn'tt seem like he was necessarily mature offensively for the NHL, and from the little bit seen of this preseason it's that he's still learning.

The youth, the baertchi's/gaudreaus/monohans are going to be torn apart as prospects if management rush them into the NHL just for the sake of pushing youth. A rebuild is firstly about icing whatever you can while you get the assets to build with , but just as important is being patient with them and letting them grow/develop at their own pace.

I actually think we're taking the comments today a bit too harshly. The management see and expect more from him, and that is a sign of encouragement and opportunity for the kid. If he's going to be as defensive as people on this board are about this, and look at it as an insult rather than constructive criticism, he's going to fail as a pro.

[nightfx]

Originally Posted by irrevocable

I always wondered which player Feaster was referencing. I kinda thought it was Jankowski--and yes, I heard the convo as well.

Stajan? xD

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by nightfx

Stajan? xD

?????

[DeluxeMoustache]

I am always surprised at how the wingers take proportionally more heat for the team's lousy defense. For a few years now there has been average at best 2 way centers in the top 6, no 3rd line C who is defensively strong and suits the role that Yelle played, and half of the game on D eaten up by a soft oaf who couldn't clear the crease adequately, and often paire with someone with those same weaknesses. The wingers could backcheck like madmen but those are glaring fundamental weaknesses that would hamstring any team trying to play defensively. The team game was out of control down low. The Flames actually weren't so bad scoring, just couldn't hold off other teams.

Both Iggy and Kipper actually had pretty unceremonious exits while saddled with circumstances beyond their control. I hope that in the not too distant future, Monahan develops to reach his projected potential. if Jankowski pans out, and Colborne and Knight can develop to fit that 3rd line role, this bodes well down the middle. Much better than experimenting with Cammalleri at C and trying Stajan on the 3rd or 4th line.

Burke likes to build from the D out. If Bouw hadn't been shipped out prior to his arrival it would have been hasty, and I don't expect Butler to have a long tenure unless he is paired with a tough player and really finds chemistry.

Did Burke or Feaster say much about Sieloff?

[Mike F]

LOL. Everyone remember Burke's introductory press conference where he said that he wouldn't be the spokesperson for the team and would just be in a background role?

That lasted as long as I thought it would.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by EYE_Overstand

Feaster was talking about that they are in a position to package prospects up and not just future draft picks to acquire players... I wouldn't be opposed to packing Johnny Hockey and Horak or Max Reinhart to acquire some nice RW pieces or RHD

If the Flames trade him away, I will personally punch Burke and Feaster in the face.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Igster

If the Flames trade him away, I will personally punch Burke and Feaster in the face.

First off, i don't think anybody should be untouchable. If Gretzky can be traded, anybody can be traded.

That said there are certain players if traded i would want one hell of a good return on. Johnny Hockey would be one of them. Right now Gaudreau would have more value to the flames rather in trade, so i don't see him going anywhere.

[Ashasx]

You're never going to get true value in return for players like Baertschi or Gaudreau, but that's just one of the many reasons I believe it'd be foolish to trade them.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

First off, i don't think anybody should be untouchable. If Gretzky can be traded, anybody can be traded.

He's going to be a star. The return better be fricken' awesome.

And I never said he was untouchable. I just said I would personally punch those involved in said trade.

[EYE_Overstand]

Ya. I totally agree with JH and seeing who we get back. I'm not to familiar on many prospects that aren't flames property, or that end up going top 5 in the draft so I'm not sure sure who we could get for him. Packaged with something else could net something great. Especially on defense.... There's ways to speed up the rebuild and that can be done right way. JH is still very unproven and I fully agree that he has more value for us then for another team.

[Walter Reed]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

That's a lie from Walter.

Feaster simply said that, trying to understand Burke a little better, that he mentioned a player that the organization liked (he didn't even say it was a Flames player, it could have been an undrafted prospect for all we know) and Burke said he didn't like him.

I'm not even sure if it was real conversation or Feaster just being Feaster.

It wasn't a lie at all, at least not intentionally, .....perhaps the term "cornerstone" was not mentioned or maybe it was, maybe that was my word or how I heard it, frankly I don't recall as it was what, .... 3 weeks ago. I heard this piece on 960 when Feaster was speaking to the issue of the GM & president not always seeing eye to eye on different issues and Jay told the story about them disagreeing on the player. As far as it being an undrafted prospect, that's a possibility too. I'm old, and my memory might be playing tricks on me .....
What was the question again ....?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Walter Reed

It wasn't an intentional lie at all, perhaps the term "cornerstone" was not mentioned or maybe it was, frankly I don't recall as it was what, .... 3 weeks ago. I heard this piece on 960 when Feaster was speaking to the issue of the GM & president not always seeing eye to eye on different issues and Jay told the story about them disagreeing on the player. As far as it being an undrafted prospect, that's a possibility too. I'm old, and my memory might be playing tricks on me .....
What was the question again ....?

When you say something like what you originally wrote on a rival fan board, make sure you have it right, or you'll face the criticism.

"Cornerstone" is a pretty big mistake.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by Mike F

LOL. Everyone remember Burke's introductory press conference where he said that he wouldn't be the spokesperson for the team and would just be in a background role?

That lasted as long as I thought it would.

He has been in the background, and will go back there. It's the first comments he's made in the press since being hired. The beginning of the season is a good time to hear from the president, especially when the media's been asking to hear from him. And he said he would be available when there were enough requests (in the same press conference you linked).

You're trying really hard to see something that isn't there. Burke's the president, not the GM. You won't hear from him frequently during the season.

[Walter Reed]

If I write something that proves inaccurate, I have no problem admitting it, unlike some ...... I have read a lot more ridiculous statements here that go unchallenged, rival or not.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

When you say something like what you originally wrote on a rival fan board, make sure you have it right, or you'll face the criticism.

"Cornerstone" is a pretty big mistake.

Would seem pretty simple, no?

Amazing he can't wrap his head around it, pretty typical of that poster though.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Igster

He's going to be a star. The return better be fricken' awesome.

And I never said he was untouchable. I just said I would personally punch those involved in said trade.

He will probably play in the NHL.... probably. To say he's going to be a star or that the return we get should be outstanding is a little far fetched seeing as he has absolutely zero experience playing professional hockey or even attending a professional camp. Not saying he doesn't have potential, but there are more highly touted prospects that don't perform in the show than there are guys who put it all together.

Plus, have you seen Burke? Guy would take you to the cleaners. And punching Feaster in the face just seems mean.

[Walter Reed]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Would seem pretty simple, no?

Amazing he can't wrap his head around it, pretty typical of that poster though.

The "ignore" option is always available ......

[EYE_Overstand]

Originally Posted by strombad

He will probably play in the NHL.... probably. To say he's going to be a star or that the return we get should be outstanding is a little far fetched seeing as he has absolutely zero experience playing professional hockey or even attending a professional camp. Not saying he doesn't have potential, but there are more highly touted prospects that don't perform in the show than there are guys who put it all together.

Plus, have you seen Burke? Guy would take you to the cleaners. And punching Feaster in the face just seems mean.

Not only that he hasn't proven himself at all... His size is also an issue

[moon]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Easy to forget this team only started winning games when the youth injection was added last year.

Easy to forget that this team started winning games at the end of the year when the other teams effort was pathetic. There is some real hazy memories on how well the Flames actually played in those games and how most of the end of the year run was due to horrific play from the opponent. (Edmonton game aside where the team did play very well.)

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Gaudreau is going to get absolutely torn apart by the fans of this team. When you start attacking the few bright spot this organization has, before you know it, there will be no bright spots.

Bringing up concerns about players is not "attacking the few bright spots."

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

LOL poor baby Sven. If he can't take a little criticizm the NHL is not for him.

Sven may have to adjust his priorities. Not easy after what he has seen his first 2 seasons.

Complete competitor and 3 zone player AND an offensive dynamo?

Is it possible?