Season Kick-off pressers Sept 30. Burke @ 11:45 AM. Feaster @ 1 PM

[MissTeeks]

Pat Steinberg‏@Fan960Steinberg1m
No surprise, but Feaster says Karri Ramo will "carry the ball" to start the season in net. #Flames

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Husky

Crosby is a generational talent. Baerischi has the potential to be a top 6 scoring threat. Just like Iginla, who was never defensive nor tried hard in his own zone. The guy was there to score...score more times than he was on the ice for goals against.

I agree, but it's not how GOOD they are in each zone. Crosby is amazing everywhere on the ice, Sven, not being a generational talent doesn't need to be. But you missed the point. Sven does need to be hard on the puck and going all out all the time, not just in the areas he's good at.

When Iggy was one of the best players in the game, he worked hard in all ends of the ice. He wasn't the greatest in all ends, but he busted his ass. Iggy the last 5 years picked his spots, maybe he had to with age, but it made him much less effective. Sven is 20 years old, hopefully he didn't learn any bad habits early on, but he is in no position to "pick his spots", if he does he will be a very below average pro in his prime, which is what the Flames are trying to avoid with the way they are handling him.

[jg13]

Monahan starting on the Big team

[FBI]

Monahan is in.

[the_only_turek_fan]

I feel bad for Horak. I think he has worked pretty hard every time he is up.

I thought he would be in full time for sure this year,

[Rerun]

Sure, Sven would probably do better by playing on the top line but great players elevate the play of their line mates. Can we say this of Sven? ... or is it the other way around?

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Do you have any experience playing on teams? What you are talking about is typically how you go about dividing a locker room and creating resentment amongst the ranks.

1st round picks get special treatment. Always have, always will.

The guy needs a chance to show what he has without all these chains of expectation bringing him down. Give him 5 games on the top line with no expectations, and see what he does. If he is still a let down, then we have something to complain about.

Some guys just need to do their thing without following the rules. Huselius was at his best when you let him do his thing and didn't expect him to be a defensive stalwart. So was Fleury. So was Nillson. So have a lot of players in this league. Hey, when did Kipper ever follow the status quo?

There are some guys you just need to let loose and let them do their thing. I have a feeling Sven is one of these guys who is meant to break rules.

[SuperMatt18]

Ugh he needs to play. Don't want Monahan here to sit here on the bench.

Like these comments on Sven. What I was saying in the other thread about the expectations of him being too high. Kid has all this pressure on him and is learning how to deal with it.

[sureLoss]

Pat Steinberg ‏@Fan960Steinberg 9s Feaster says if he could have a mulligan, he wouldn't have brought Baertschi up as an emergency recall two seasons ago. #Flames

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Sure, Sven would probably do better by playing on the top line but great players elevate the play of their line mates.

Maybe he is not a great player. Maybe he is just a good offensive player who puts up a lot of points. Is that such a terrible thing? I think people need to stop looking at the guy as a franchise saviour, but as just one good piece of the puzzle.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Pat Steinberg ‏@Fan960Steinberg 9s Feaster says if he could have a mulligan, he wouldn't have brought Baertschi up as an emergency recall two seasons ago. #Flames

Sounds like the success and fan fare he got from that call up is potentially the issue.

[GreenLantern]

Feaster says if he could have he wouldn't have brought Sven up from Portland because all it did was raise expectations to a sky high level.

He is a pro palyer with lots of skill, but he is a work in progress and has a long way to go. He knows this and is willing to work with us to get through this together.

[sureLoss]

Randy Sportak ‏@SUNRandySportak 1m Feaster's point was that three-goal, five-game outing created "sky-high" expectations inside and outside the organization

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Sounds like the success and fan fare he got from that call up is potentially the issue.

Placed crazy high expectations on him. Internally and externally.

Guy came in, had success, and now he (and the fan base) think that he is the "saviour". That he needs to be the replacement for Iginla.

Like that the Flames are being open about it and are clearly working on it with him.

[CaptainCrunch]

I agree with the Iggy statement. Iggy in the last 5 years was picked out for his play in one zone play, even Reggie in his last year probably wanted to tear his head off, show it to him and then toss it into the stands.

Bart is a very good very creative offensive player, but at his age he has to aspire to be more then that. He has to hustle back and pick up his back check or on this young team he is going to cause more harm then good.

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Do you have any experience playing on teams? What you are talking about is typically how you go about dividing a locker room and creating resentment amongst the ranks.

Yeah because offending Matt Stajan/Stempniak/Hudler is what is important here.

Sven was given PP time in game one last season, he rang one off the post, and set up two other chances. The rest of that game him and Backlund anchored by far the best line on the Flames.

Game 2 he is on the 3rd line, then playing with Jackman/Begin.

Not sure how that helped his development.

He is by far the most talented player on the roster and needs an oppurtunity to show his skills. He had 3 goals in 5 games in his first cup of coffee, and ended last season with a 7 game point streak.

I prefer the Edmonton treatment of Hall/Eberle/Yakupov/Nuge/Schultz let them make mistakes, and learn from it, to this treatment which reminds me of St. Louis/Kobasew/Boyd/Savard and Backlund to certain extent, don't mess up or you get relegated to the 3rd/4th line.

Not saying it is the same thing, I am just saying that the Flames have a track record of not developing talent that is sitting right in front of them because they try and structure all the creativity out of their game

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Sure, Sven would probably do better by playing on the top line but great players elevate the play of their line mates. Can we say this of Sven? ... or is it the other way around?

Well he's a 20 year old rookie, not a prime-aged star player. Hopefully he'll get there one day but there are very few players who are able to do this right from the get-go. Sometimes you have to be put in a situation to challenge yourself. IE. I could be wrong but I don't recall Pat Kane ever playing anywhere other than in the top 6 on the Hawks. Most of the time when first rounders are brought up to play in the NHL they are slotted to play where they are expected/projected to play and if they can't they are sent down. Sven hasn't had much of a chance at that from what I've seen. (IE PP minutes, offesnive zone starts, linemates that can score/pass).

But the argument could be made (and I think this is where management's dissappointent lays) that this was the opportunity for Sven to do that. The space was there for him to show himself above the rest and be slotted into those spots. Not ahead of the other rookies but ahead of guys like Hudler and Stempniak, but he hasn't shown any reason why he should be slotted ahead of those types of guys. He's had a pretty stinky camp. Watching him play in the Dino's game was very uninspiring. If he feels its beneath him he should be he should be dominiating it out of a pure "shove it in their face" attitude. He has taken to being a bit of a whiner thus far this year. I don't like it. Hopefully he can get some mojo back and just go out and play.

[GreenLantern]

The mandate for the coaching staff is that the Flames want their young players to play. If someone in Abby is playing to a level where they can contribute on the big club, room will be made for them. (named Jooris, Horak and Knight as examples of players coming up)

[EYE_Overstand]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

Yeah because offending Matt Stajan/Stempniak/Hudler is what is important here.

Sven was given PP time in game one last season, he rang one off the post, and set up two other chances. The rest of that game him and Backlund anchored by far the best line on the Flames.

Game 2 he is on the 3rd line, then playing with Jackman/Begin.

Not sure how that helped his development.

He is by far the most talented player on the roster and needs an oppurtunity to show his skills. He had 3 goals in 5 games in his first cup of coffee, and ended last season with a 7 game point streak.

I prefer the Edmonton treatment of Hall/Eberle/Yakupov/Nuge/Schultz let them make mistakes, and learn from it, to this treatment which reminds me of St. Louis/Kobasew/Boyd/Savard and Backlund to certain extent, don't mess up or you get relegated to the 3rd/4th line.

Not saying it is the same thing, I am just saying that the Flames have a track record of not developing talent that is sitting right in front of them because they try and structure all the creativity out of their game

totally different level of prospects/ situations you are comparing

[nemanja2306]

Yeah, Feaster is taking a back seat to Burke. Not surprised, Burke doesn't seem to be a guy who doesn't like to get involved.

However, these comments on Sven, did they have to be public? Couldn't they have talked to him privately? Not a fan of this move by Burke.