Breaking Bad

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Hessen

I personally loved the end scene. Walt is smiling looking around the lab, remembering who he was and his true love for science.

I was thinking that he was reminiscing on the one time he was powerful and in control...which, granted, was born out of his love and respect for chemistry/science.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Pizza

Good finale, but way too predictable in how they tied everything up. If they wanted to make it less predictable, they shouldnt have shown that scene where walter was testing out the car battery motor in the desert.

If they were going for the surprise, then you're right, but everything else in the episode would have been much less powerful if we hadn't known that Walter was planning to die in a spray of machine gun bullets.

I thought it was a great ending.

[Red]

Originally Posted by gargamel

If they were going for the surprise, then you're right, but everything else in the episode would have been much less powerful if we hadn't known that Walter was planning to die in a spray of machine gun bullets.

I thought it was a great ending.

Walt was killed by a stray bullet. He wasn't planning it.

[jroc]

Originally Posted by Red

Walt was killed by a stray bullet. He wasn't planning it.

Given that he was going in 1 vs ~6... I'm sure he had planned on dying

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jroc

Given that he was going in 1 vs ~6... I'm sure he had planned on dying

Yeah, I kind of interpreted it as him going on a suicide mission and it wasn't until Jesse was presented that the plan changed.

As much harm Walt brought to Jesse, he still wanted to protect him.

There is still a lot of aftermath to be sorted out. Jesse can never just go back into society. The police are bound to find the confession tape that he made with Hank, and while it does show that he was remorseful, it wouldn't exonerate him. With no money, he can't exactly just disappear and live happily... he is still sort of hooped. Of course, the show is over, so we need to just use our imaginations.

[Red]

Originally Posted by jroc

Given that he was going in 1 vs ~6... I'm sure he had planned on dying

He was planning on killing everyone there and got killed accidentally. He was prepared to die, but didn't actually plan on it. If so, why not blow the damn thing up?

Also, what if that bullet didnt hit him?

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Red

Walt was killed by a stray bullet. He wasn't planning it.

I don't think that he was planning to hit the floor before pressing the button, but once Jesse showed up, he had to tackle him and stay on top of him to protect him from the bullets. There's no way that Walter had any intention of surviving that confrontation.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Buddy just told me something that I couldn't answer.

Jack and his crew had a pretty big prison network. Would they not try to get at Skyler and Walt Jr at all costs after Walt killed them?

[Ark2]

So over the course of the show, how many people did Walt directly kill? I count 13.

Season 1: Emilio and Crazy 8
Season 2: No one
Season 3: Drug Dealer 1 and Drug Dealer 2
Season 4: Henchman 1 and Henchman 2
Season 5, Part I: Mike
Season 5, Part II: Lydia, 5 Nazis

Any that I missed?

[Red]

Originally Posted by gargamel

I don't think that he was planning to hit the floor before pressing the button, but once Jesse showed up, he had to tackle him and stay on top of him to protect him from the bullets. There's no way that Walter had any intention of surviving that confrontation.

That's kind of dumb then. If you want everyone dead in a small shack, you don't mount a machine gun in your truck and operate it with a garage opener. You load up the trunk with TNT or something and blow it all up.

I think he had the intent to kill everyone there, but himself. Not sure what would come after though, somewhat confusing ending. Kind of like "No country for old men" end with the car crash.

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by gargamel

I don't think that he was planning to hit the floor before pressing the button, but once Jesse showed up, he had to tackle him and stay on top of him to protect him from the bullets. There's no way that Walter had any intention of surviving that confrontation.

With the self-awareness Walt showed in the finale I think he knew that Jesse was right to do what he did. Walt knew that Jesse was enslaved and not a partner with the Nazis. He brought up the partner business with Jack because he knew Jack would be offended enough to prove him wrong.

The finale was all about Walt sacrificing everything he had to do right for those that he cared about. Setting up trust funds for his kids. Giving Skyler a chip to bargain with the DEA. Keeping his family safe from Lydia and her compulsive nature to tie up loose ends. Avenging Hank and Steve's deaths while enabling them to have a proper burial. Freeing Jesse and giving him the opportunity to get his revenge on Walt.

[Regulator75]

Originally Posted by Ark2

So over the course of the show, how many people did Walt directly kill? I count 13.

Season 1: Emilio and Crazy 8
Season 2: No one
Season 3: Drug Dealer 1 and Drug Dealer 2
Season 4: Henchman 1 and Henchman 2
Season 5, Part I: Mike
Season 5, Part II: Lydia, 5 Nazis

Any that I missed?

The Pipe bomb should count.

So, Hector, Gus and thug Tyrus.

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by Red

That's kind of dumb then. If you want everyone dead in a small shack, you don't mount a machine gun in your truck and operate it with a garage opener. You load up the trunk with TNT or something and blow it all up.

I think he had the intent to kill everyone there, but himself. Not sure what would come after though, somewhat confusing ending.

He didn't want to kill Jesse.

I don't see how anyone could be confused by the ending. It was as straight forward as you could get. Walt had already alluded to it being the end for him regardless of what happened in the showdown with the Nazis during his conversation with Skyler. He knew he was either dead or going to prison where he'd die soon from cancer.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Red

That's kind of dumb then. If you want everyone dead in a small shack, you don't mount a machine gun in your truck and operate it with a garage opener. You load up the trunk with TNT or something and blow it all up.

I think he had the intent to kill everyone there, but himself. Not sure what would come after though, somewhat confusing ending. Kind of like "No country for old men" end with the car crash.

Sorry, but your ending would've sucked. If he just went and blown everything up, including himself, it would've been the most simplistic generic ending in the history of television. There wouldn't have been a chance to see Jessie get revenge on Todd, the face to face between Walt and Jessie, the execution of Jack at the hands of Heisenberg. You wouldn't have had any questions about Walt's attempt for redemption, or his opportunity to do right by Jessie. It just would've been a big explosion and a terrible ending to the series.

More effective at killing his enemies? Maybe. Good TV? No way.

[fredr123]

I thought the ending was about as happy as you could get in Breaking Bad and put too neat a bow on a bunch of loose ends. Upon further reflection, the ending isn't as happy as I initially thought.

Flynn is going to be reeling from all of this. Regardless of whether Elliott and Gretchen follow through with Walt's demands, we don't know if Flynn will accept the money and help out his family or not.

Skyler is still hooped. I'm skeptical the location of two dead DEA agents will be sufficient to get her immunity from the Heisenberg investigation. She's more than a little culpable for the money laundering at the car wash and there is still her involvement with Beneke and the IRS.

Marie lost her husband and her family. Maybe she can reconcile with the latter, but Hank is gone.

Jesse is broke, financially and mentally. How that guy could possibly reintegrate into society is beyond me. He might want to try and help Brock, but what's he going to do? When the police search the Nazi compound they will probably find Jesse's confession tape and they will be looking for him. He's doomed to end up in jail eventually.

Walt could have made things a bit better had he survived the shootout and took full responsibility for everything with the police. Only then might he have saved Sklyer and Jesse from further legal trouble.

[Red]

Originally Posted by WilderPegasus

He didn't want to kill Jesse.

I don't see how anyone could be confused by the ending. It was as straight forward as you could get. Walt had already alluded to it being the end for him regardless of what happened in the showdown with the Nazis during his conversation with Skyler. He knew he was either dead or going to prison where he'd die soon from cancer.

If he wanted to die, then blow it all up. Seriously, the gun scene was so "Rambo" and un-realistic.
He wanted Jessie dead. Nothing changed in the last few episodes. Walt didn't know that Jessie was still alive until Badger told him about the blue.
He changed his mind about killing Jessie after finding out he was a prisoner. But that would have mattered little if Walt really wanted everyone dead going in.

So I am not confused about what happened. I am confused why Walt being killed by a stray bullet was chosen as a good way to end the show. I thought that detail was dumb.

[gargamel]

I liked that, in the end, it was the Nazi's ego that got him because he needed to prove that he was Jesse's slavemaster, not his partner. Conversely, Walk finally managed to swallow his pride by not telling Skyler that the $10M that they would be receiving was from him.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Sorry, but your ending would've sucked. If he just went and blown everything up, including himself, it would've been the most simplistic generic ending in the history of television. There wouldn't have been a chance to see Jessie get revenge on Todd, the face to face between Walt and Jessie, the execution of Jack at the hands of Heisenberg. You wouldn't have had any questions about Walt's attempt for redemption, or his opportunity to do right by Jessie. It just would've been a big explosion and a terrible ending to the series.

More effective at killing his enemies? Maybe. Good TV? No way.

Maybe the shootout wasn't a good way to end the show then? I don't know. I am just throwing it out there. The ending was a let down for me for many reasons. Cheesy gun tricks did not fit this show.

[Cuz]

Wouldn't you think the Nazis would have gotten rid of the confession tape after watching it? They may be ######s but they're not that dumb

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Red

If he wanted to die, then blow it all up. Seriously, the gun scene was so "Rambo" and un-realistic.
He wanted Jessie dead. Nothing changed in the last few episodes. Walt didn't know that Jessie was still alive until Badger told him about the blue.
He changed his mind about killing Jessie after finding out he was a prisoner. But that would have mattered little if Walt really wanted everyone dead going in.

So I am not confused about what happened. I am confused why Walt being killed by a stray bullet was chosen as a good way to end the show. I thought that detail was dumb.

Come to think of it, I don't think his plan went exactly how he hoped and I am little confused on how he thought it was going to play out (he did mention that he was going to take his money back as well as avenge Hank).