[Signing] Leafs sign Cody Franson [1 year, $2mil]

[strombad]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

I disagree he hasn't lived up to his potential. Dion has been playing the best hockey of his career in Toronto. He's playing a far different role than he ever did in Calgary.

And 6.5 million doesn't mean the same as it did 5 years ago.

And guess what? Dion also plays huge minutes and is reliable.

He's playing a different role because he wasn't performing in his previous role. Calgary paid big money for him to be an all-star, he isn't right now. He's good, no denying, but he's not great. His potential was that of a hard hitting, high scoring powerhouse. He has average offensive numbers, if not a little above, and his big plays are few and far between now. In fact, he makes the highlight reel more often for his gaffs than for his big plays now. He's just not as good as he was projected to be.

He's hardly reliable if you're comparing him to Bouwneester, Bouw is far and away a more dependable and trustworthy defenceman.

I get that you're into the whole "6.5 is different now" thing, but in no world is Phaneuf getting more than 6.5 on the open market, any team that pays a great 2nd pairing defenceman 6.5 is poorly managing funds.

And sorry to burst your bubble, but Boyle is significantly better than Phaneuf.
Significantly.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by strombad

He's playing a different role because he wasn't performing in his previous role. Calgary paid big money for him to be an all-star, he isn't right now. He's good, no denying, but he's not great. His potential was that of a hard hitting, high scoring powerhouse. He has average offensive numbers, if not a little above, and his big plays are few and far between now. In fact, he makes the highlight reel more often for his gaffs than for his big plays now. He's just not as good as he was projected to be.

He's hardly reliable if you're comparing him to Bouwneester, Bouw is far and away a more dependable and trustworthy defenceman.

I get that you're into the whole "6.5 is different now" thing, but in no world is Phaneuf getting more than 6.5 on the open market, any team that pays a great 2nd pairing defenceman 6.5 is poorly managing funds.

And sorry to burst your bubble, but Boyle is significantly better than Phaneuf.
Significantly.

This is a good argument, I agree.

I disagree that Phaneuf is a pylon, hes a good player but he isnt what he was projected to be.

[Stupid]

Wah wah Phaneuf penis.

Can we move on already?

[19Yzerman19]

Jesus you guys are delusional when it comes to former Flames. Phaneuf is a #1 defenseman, because he's a top 30 defenseman in the NHL. He is being paid roughly what he's worth. If he gets 6 or less as a cap hit it's a discount.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

Jesus you guys are delusional when it comes to former Flames. Phaneuf is a #1 defenseman, because he's a top 30 defenseman in the NHL. He is being paid roughly what he's worth. If he gets 6 or less as a cap hit it's a discount.

Yup. This idea he's so overpaid is silly. He was 11th in Norris voting, top 10 in so many categories last season, but he's a second paring guy who should make 2 million les? Come on.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by strombad

He's playing a different role because he wasn't performing in his previous role. Calgary paid big money for him to be an all-star, he isn't right now. He's good, no denying, but he's not great. His potential was that of a hard hitting, high scoring powerhouse. He has average offensive numbers, if not a little above, and his big plays are few and far between now. In fact, he makes the highlight reel more often for his gaffs than for his big plays now. He's just not as good as he was projected to be.

He's hardly reliable if you're comparing him to Bouwneester, Bouw is far and away a more dependable and trustworthy defenceman.

I get that you're into the whole "6.5 is different now" thing, but in no world is Phaneuf getting more than 6.5 on the open market, any team that pays a great 2nd pairing defenceman 6.5 is poorly managing funds.

And sorry to burst your bubble, but Boyle is significantly better than Phaneuf.
Significantly.

Huh? He was playing sheltered minutes in Calgary. In Toronto he has a much more difficult job than he ever did in Calgary.

And no, Boyle is old and not as good as Dion.

We see all UFAs getting overpaid, but Dion's the one guy who will have to take a discount?

[strombad]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Huh? He was playing sheltered minutes in Calgary. In Toronto he has a much more difficult job than he ever did in Calgary.

And no, Boyle is old and not as good as Dion.

We see all UFAs getting overpaid, but Dion's the one guy who will have to take a discount?

Even as an old man, Boyle is a much better player than Dion. It's not even a question.

Again, it's difficult to have this conversation with you because while I might be underrating Dion a bit, you're ridiculously overrating him. You use statistics to defend him, and then shrug off statistics when someone uses them against him.

As someone said recently, changing minds at CP is almost laughably futile. So go ahead and keep that Dion love strong. I believed in Santa until I was 13, so it's not like I can fault you on your beliefs.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by strombad

even as an old man, boyle is a much better player than dion. It's not even a question.

Again, it's difficult to have this conversation with you because while i might be underrating dion a bit, you're ridiculously overrating him. You use statistics to defend him, and then shrug off statistics when someone uses them against him.

As someone said recently, changing minds at cp is almost laughably futile. So go ahead and keep that dion love strong. I believed in santa until i was 13, so it's not like i can fault you on your beliefs.

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[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by strombad

Even as an old man, Boyle is a much better player than Dion. It's not even a question.

Again, it's difficult to have this conversation with you because while I might be underrating Dion a bit, you're ridiculously overrating him. You use statistics to defend him, and then shrug off statistics when someone uses them against him.

As someone said recently, changing minds at CP is almost laughably futile. So go ahead and keep that Dion love strong. I believed in Santa until I was 13, so it's not like I can fault you on your beliefs.

The fact is, you claimed Dion failed at his role earlier on, yet he's playing the toughest role of his career in Toronto.

What stats of Dion's suggest he should get 5 million per on the open market?

Dan Boyle has slipped and is not as good as Dion. There's nothing good about Boyle defensively.

[Vinny01]

Dion played top shutdown minutes in his last season in Calgary with Regehr. He also was nominated for the Norris on Calgary and still logged heavy minutes during Keenan's time. He did however not play as hard of minutes during that time.

He has not progressed much since his time in Calgary. I do think he will get paid next offseason if the rumors of the cap going up to $80M are true. I also think the flames will be in the mix if Toronto does not extend him durin the season. Dion plays the style the flames want and obviously the Burke connection

[moon]

Originally Posted by strombad

Even as an old man, Boyle is a much better player than Dion. It's not even a question.

Of course it is a question, if for nothing else than because Boyle is not so good that he should be heads and shoulders above anyone at the Team Canada training camp.

It may be that he is better than Phaneuf (he isn't) but saying that it is a question is ridiculous.

[BigTuna]

Every player as a UFA gets overpaid. Dion is the one guy who will take a massive pay-cut. That's the idea a lot of Flames fans have?

[strombad]

Originally Posted by keenan87

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We all make mistakes.
Some people keep false hope in Santa for way too long.
Some people believe Phaneuf is a 7 million dollar defenceman.

We all make mistakes.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by strombad

We all make mistakes.
Some people keep false hope in Santa for way too long.
Some people believe Phaneuf is a 7 million dollar defenceman.

We all make mistakes.

No chance. He'll take a massive paycut because he sucks,.

You're better with Stajan.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

No chance. He'll take a massive paycut because he sucks,.

You're better with Stajan.

If 500k is massive, then I suppose you're right.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by strombad

If 500k is massive, then I suppose you're right.

I'm going by his cap hit.