Sept 10 Apple Event Thread - iPhone 5S, iPhone 5C, iOS7

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by KTrain

Looks like Samsung is getting in on the gold.

http://theverge.com/2013/9/25/476908...lden-galaxy-s4

My eyes... They burn!

[MrMastodonFarm]

[Brannigans Law]

40 a month. that's a great deal.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

40 a month. that's a great deal.

I hope they grow their customer base as we need companies like Wind to thrive. It seems the only think the big companies hold over them is the hardware but if you don't need a subsidized phone there's no reason to stick with Rogers, Telus, or Bell if you live in a major city.

[Jbo]

Anyone had any luck getting a phone from Future Shop or Best Buy?

I put a deposit down last Friday and still haven't gotten a call. I finally called the store and the girl said that not a single store in Calgary has received a re-supply from apple.

[HotHotHeat]

Here's the most thorough review I've seen on the 5s yet. Really highlights the hidden innovations that make the user experience so strong.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review

[Mazrim]

I was pretty surprised that Rogers called me last night to offer me a 5S and that I could get it in a week. I figured supplies would be low enough that they wouldn't bother until further down the road with that. Not that I mind...

[MickMcGeough]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Here's the most thorough review I've seen on the 5s yet. Really highlights the hidden innovations that make the user experience so strong.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review

I love AnandTech.

[photon]

AnandTech is the best.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Here's the most thorough review I've seen on the 5s yet. Really highlights the hidden innovations that make the user experience so strong.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review

Really? It just read like a fluff piece. Gong on and on about the physical characteristics of the phone. What were some of the "hidden innovations" that you saw?

I'm not trying to be arguementative; I am really curious. For example the iPhone 5 with iOS6 brought the following hidden innovations to the iPhone 4s running iOS 5:

- Smarter integration with Exchange ActiveSync. Allows for a more seamless setup of an iPhone in an Exchange environment. (Something Android had to catch up on.)
- Smarter connections to wireless networks. For example if you connect to your work's wifi and your network password changes, the iPhone will now prompt you to reset your password instead of bombarding the domain controller with failed login attempts.
- LTE and 4G wireless support. I know the iPhone 5s has a broader range of frequencies than the 5; I didn't see that in the article. With the cost of data roaming likely coming down across North America, having LTE in the states would be handy over just having 4G.

[chemgear]

I haven't read it but I do find Anandtech to be rather good (and very detailed) - wouldn't really think of them as a fluffer site.

Could be wrong though, I haven't read that article yet.

[MrMastodonFarm]

AnandTech is a good website and I love their reviews but they've always had a huge Apple bias, which is fine.

Where are these hidden innovations that they've highlighted?

It's not fluff per say but it certainly has a love for Apple sprinkled all over. From the comments, the first piece is something I noticed right away too.

For starters, the "CPU performance" page only contains JS benchmarks and not a single native application. And iOS and Android use entirely different JS engines, so this is literally a case of comparing apples to oranges.

Native benchmarks don't compare the new apple chip to "old 32 bit v7 chips" - it only compares the new apple chip to the old ones, and also compares the new chip in 32bit and 64 bit mode. Oddly enough, the geekbench at engadget shows tegra 4 actually being faster.

Then, there is the inclusion of hardware implementation in charts that are supposed to show the benefits of 64bit execution mode, but in reality the encryption workloads are handled in a fundamentally different way in the two modes, in software in 32bit mode and implemented in hardware in 64bit mode. This turns the integer performance chart from a mixed bad into one falsely advertising performance gains attributed to 64bit execution and not to the hardware implementations as it should. The FP chart also shows no miracles, wider SIMD units result in almost 2x the score in few tests, nothing much in the rest.

All in all, I'd say this is a very cleverly compiled review, cunningly deceitful to show the new apple chip in a much better light than it is in reality. No surprises, considering this is AT, it would be more unexpected to see an unbiased review.

[photon]

The level of detail in the review is the opposite of fluff. It has colour saturation and accuracy graphs compared for 11 phones, that's hardly fluff. Performance tests for 30+ algorithms for 32bit vs 64bit isn't fluff.

[rd_aaron]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Really? It just read like a fluff piece. Gong on and on about the physical characteristics of the phone. What were some of the "hidden innovations" that you saw?

I had the same reaction thinking this was a pretty basic article with no "hidden innovations" but I didn't see the drop down menu at the bottom that takes you to different pages ("A7 SOC Explained", "The Move to 64 Bit", "GPU Architecture & Performance", etc).

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by rd_aaron

I had the same reaction thinking this was a pretty basic article with no "hidden innovations" but I didn't see the drop down menu at the bottom that takes you to different pages ("A7 SOC Explained", "The Move to 64 Bit", "GPU Architecture & Performance", etc).

Wait, did people miss the fact that the review has 13 parts? The initial page is just the first section. Tons of charts, graphs and details throughout.

That is how Anandtech does all their stuff.

[MickMcGeough]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Really? It just read like a fluff piece. Gong on and on about the physical characteristics of the phone. What were some of the "hidden innovations" that you saw?

I'm not trying to be arguementative; I am really curious. For example the iPhone 5 with iOS6 brought the following hidden innovations to the iPhone 4s running iOS 5:

- Smarter integration with Exchange ActiveSync. Allows for a more seamless setup of an iPhone in an Exchange environment. (Something Android had to catch up on.)
- Smarter connections to wireless networks. For example if you connect to your work's wifi and your network password changes, the iPhone will now prompt you to reset your password instead of bombarding the domain controller with failed login attempts.
- LTE and 4G wireless support. I know the iPhone 5s has a broader range of frequencies than the 5; I didn't see that in the article. With the cost of data roaming likely coming down across North America, having LTE in the states would be handy over just having 4G.

I found the A7 SoC stuff very interesting. It's more detail on the technical architecture than I've seen on any smartphone, period. Hard to imagine how that qualifies as "fluff"...

[ken0042]

Yes, now that I see the other pages...........

[dissentowner]

I am a pretty big Apple fan but they don't always get it right. I am not a fan of ios7 at all, I like ios6 much better. Then again I am still running Snow Leopard on my Macbook Pro because I cannot play any of my older favorite titles like EHM05 on anything newer.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

I was pretty surprised that Rogers called me last night to offer me a 5S and that I could get it in a week. I figured supplies would be low enough that they wouldn't bother until further down the road with that. Not that I mind...

Don't listen to them. They told me that as well I still haven't got my 5S nor have I received a shipment notification.

[Jbo]

I pre-ordered on the Friday it came out and still haven't received by 5S