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Old 09-28-2012, 08:51 AM   #101
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I wish I had the time to read the whole judgment. In the meantime, I'll quote this little tidbit:

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[72] Beyond that, these are little more than scams that abuse legal processes. As this Court now recognizes that these schemes are
intended for that purpose, a strict approach is appropriate when the Court responds to persons who purposefully say they stand outside the rules and law, or who intend to abuse, disrupt, and ultimately break the legal processes that govern conduct in Canada. The persons who advance these schemes, and particularly those who market and sell these concepts as commercial products, are parasites that must be stopped.

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Old 09-28-2012, 09:00 AM   #102
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That's exactly what you'd expect them to say, they just want to keep power over you.
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More legal judgements should apply the term 'parasites.' Thats spectacular.
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Old 09-28-2012, 09:38 AM   #104
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It actually gets better:

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[75] These claims are, of course, pseudolegal nonsense. A judge who encounters and reviews OPCA concepts will find their errors are obvious and manifest, once one strips away the layers of peculiar language, irrelevant references, and deciphers the often bizarre documentation which accompanies an OPCA scheme. When reduced to their conceptual core, most OPCA concepts are contemptibly stupid.
I also found this website: http://privatesectoract.com/
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Old 09-28-2012, 09:44 AM   #105
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Wow A.C.J. Rooke's brief is a fantastic read.

It's like a 100 page Darwin award compiliation.
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Old 09-28-2012, 09:46 AM   #106
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These people are clearly quacks..... It is too bad however that the average citizen pales in comparison to these guys when it comes to standing up for what you believe in.

We could have collectively demolished photo radar for instance.
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:03 AM   #107
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This part of the jugdement I find particulary enjoyable:

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Last, I have some questions you may wish to direct to those gurus who provide you advice:
1. Why do these gurus seem to have little, if any, wealth, when they say they hold
the proverbial keys to untold riches?
2. Why do those gurus not go to court themselves, if they are so certain of their
knowledge? If they say they have been to court, ask them for the proceeding file
number, and see if their account is accurate. Those are public records.
3. Can that guru identify even one reported court decision where their techniques
proved successful? If not, why then are all successes a tale of an unnamed person,
who knew someone who saw that kind of event occur?
4. How are their ideas different and distinct from those surveyed and rejected in
these Reasons?
5. How are these advisors different from the OPCA gurus who have been
unsuccessful and found themselves in jail? What did Porisky, Warman, and
Lindsay do wrong?
6. Will your advisors promise to indemnify you, when you apply the techniques they
claim are foolproof? If not, why?
7. If they cannot explain these points, then why should you pay them for their legal
nonsense?
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:29 AM   #108
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I'm only about halfway through, and this is already the most satisfying judgment I've ever read.
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:37 AM   #109
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I'm only about halfway through, and this is already the most satisfying judgment I've ever read.
It does have that degree of satisfaction to it, doesnt it?

"You're all morons, now excuse me while I legally doff you about the face with my massive....legal judgement..."
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I am more honored than ever that Justice Rooke admitted me to the the Alberta Bar!

Our Court’s experience has been that persons involved in the OPCA community often hold highly conspiratorial perspectives, but there is no consistency in who is the alleged hidden hand. Another uniform OPCA characteristic appears to be a belief that ordinary persons have been unfairly cheated, or deceived as to their rights. This belief that the common man has been abused and cheated by a hidden hand seems to form the basis for OPCA community members perceived right to break ‘the system’ and retaliate against ‘their oppressors’.

In my view, a lawyer has a positive duty not to engage in a step that would ‘formalize’ (though typically in a legally irrelevant manner) an OPCA document. I have previously noted that certain OPCA gurus place a peculiar and mythical authority in a notary’s hands. A lawyer should not, directly or indirectly, reenforce, or support that purpose.

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I also found this website: http://privatesectoract.com/
The whole thing is pretty brilliant, and way more captivating than most Reasons for Decision.
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Old 09-30-2012, 09:05 PM   #112
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Every time I see this commercial I laugh and think of this thread.

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The whole thing is pretty brilliant, and way more captivating than most Reasons for Decision.
Best reasons I can remember since:

http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmil...miller_342.pdf
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:11 PM   #114
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The Kitzmiller judgement was epic, first court judgement I read cover to cover.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:52 PM   #115
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http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/20.../20482871.html

A west-end dentist and his wife got house arrest Monday and were fined the taxes on more than $1 million in undeclared income after admitting to taking part in a “preposterous” scheme ripped from the plot of The Matrix.

The Websters were followers of Russ Porisky, a Chilliwack, B.C., man sentenced to 4 1/2 years behind bars for helping followers evade an estimated $11.5 million in taxes with his “natural person theory.”
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http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/20.../20482871.html

A west-end dentist and his wife got house arrest Monday and were fined the taxes on more than $1 million in undeclared income after admitting to taking part in a “preposterous” scheme ripped from the plot of The Matrix.

The Websters were followers of Russ Porisky, a Chilliwack, B.C., man sentenced to 4 1/2 years behind bars for helping followers evade an estimated $11.5 million in taxes with his “natural person theory.”
Together, they were fined $342,407 – every penny of the unpaid taxes from 2004 to 2009 on income from Clarke Webster’s dental practice and his wife’s salary as office manager.

So basically they got an interest free loan of 300,000 for 4 years from the feds, sweet!
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Old 09-22-2013, 06:32 PM   #117
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Another bump but there was an article today about a local experience with this movement:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...eman-1.1863921

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An Alberta pensioner says she feels like a prisoner after her Calgary rental property was claimed as an "embassy" by a man she says identified himself as a Freemen-on-the-Land, a growing movement of so-called sovereign citizens that is raising concerns with authorities both north and south of the border.
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A few months after the renter moved in, Caverhill went to inspect the work and she says she found the entire kitchen and bathroom had been gutted. All the doors inside had been removed and the floor of the master bedroom had been painted black, she says.

But Caverhill quickly learned she had much bigger problems.

"He walks me to the door and he's yelling at me, 'I'm a Freemen-on-the-Land,"' Caverhill says.

"I said: 'This is my house, not yours.' He said: 'No. This is an embassy house now and it's mine and you have no rights,' so then he slams the door."

She says she discovered the locks had been changed and pounded on the door.

"I said: 'How come the key doesn't work?' He said: 'I changed the locks.' He said: 'It's not your home."'
Pretty ridiculous. It's one thing to not get your drivers licence or even pay your taxes but this takes it to a whole new level. I hope it gets sorted out quickly.

Whole "movement" seems like basically a cop out of paying back into the society these people have probably knowingly or unknowingly gotten so much out of. That or some sort of cover for investment, renters, tax, etc fraud.
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Another bump but there was an article today about a local experience with this movement:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...eman-1.1863921



Pretty ridiculous. It's one thing to not get your drivers licence or even pay your taxes but this takes it to a whole new level. I hope it gets sorted out quickly.

Whole "movement" seems like basically a cop out of paying back into the society these people have probably knowingly or unknowingly gotten so much out of. That or some sort of cover for investment, renters, tax, etc fraud.
What a dick.
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What a dick.
Yup. I bet he wouldn't try pulling that crap with you or me. Gotta go for an old lady, or else he risks the true owner "taking it back". What're you going to do when I kick in the door with 10 of my friends? Call the cops? I thought you don't believe in that kind of authority?

Seriously, though. What a punk. Stealing a house? If you want to be a freeman on the land, go build a log cabin on Crown land. Don't go "renting" from an old lady, in the middle of a major city, and then try to pull a move like this.

It's not often that I advocate this kind of thing, but I hope that lady has a friend with HA connections. That loser needs a serious "talking to".
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Anyone thinking of being a landlord, PLEASE do not get tenants to do work for you, unless you have a signed contract up front, and do not do it in lieu of rent.

Better to not have the tenant do it at all.

And I don't understand what the big deal is with regard to the tenant still being there is.. either call a bailiff and have them repossess his property to pay for the unpaid rent (which usually results in a person leaving), or apply to the court to have them removed, they've done enough damage that 24 hours notice is all they would need.

No one deserves what this lady is going through, but she could make it a lot better it sounds like by getting some help in managing the place.
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