iPhone vs Android

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

If Apple has the choice between a 35 year old who is ok with buying music and videos through his phone (and spending more for the phone in the first place), vs. an 18 year who will download everything and transfer to his phone, it will pick the latter every single day. If you don't see that as a valid and profitable business plan, I can't help you.

I hate to break it to you, but the 18 year old likely will have more disposable income over the next 5 years than the 35 year old. Kids these days were not raised on piracy like the 35 year old was, so for them it is natural to pay to download music and apps.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I hate to break it to you, but the 18 year old likely will have more disposable income over the next 5 years than the 35 year old.

What?

[Rathji]

18 to 25 is the most highly sought after market share for most products. For many reasons , including disposable income.

edit:
This shows that both the 18-25 and 35-44 age groups use smartphones about the same amount.
http://www.go-gulf.com/blog/smartphone/

What it doesn't show is that companies like Apple are selling way more than a phone, they are selling an ecosystem. If you get into that ecosystem early in life, you are much more likely to remain in that ecosystem. Apple would be quite foolish to 'not care about those 18 year olds' and I would be really surprised if that was the case.

[undercoverbrother]

Just purchased an iPhone.

Cool Story Brosef

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Rathji

18 to 25 is the most highly sought after market share for most products. For many reasons , including disposable income.

Your demographic is off by 10 years as you were claiming 18-25 when the main demographic is 25-34;

http://www.emarketer.com/Article/Gen...phones/1009604

[Rathji]

I am not sure what you are arguing.

You were talking about people 35+ being a better market for smart phones than 18 year olds, which I disagreed with. The data you just linked to, supports my assertion.

The specific post you quoted is talking about general disposable income to be spent on all products, which I will concede, might not be correct in today's economy.

[opendoor]

I'm not really sure the premise is correct. Anecdotal evidence aside, my understanding is that market share and preference among teenagers in North America is more slanted towards Apple than it is among adults.

Though it's not something I've looked into too much, so that might be outdated info.

[Rathji]

The infographic I linked, indicated that Android has a 50% market share in in the 18-25 age range, while Apple has a 43% market share.

Its kind of comparing apples to oranges though, since there are so many versions of Android that exist in today's market. You could likely argue that someone running Android 2.x might not really be the kind of user that is really relevant in the entire discussion.

You also have things like iPod touches, not counted in those stats, which are by far the premier product in the MP3 player space. These are priming young people (under 18) to the Apple ecosystem, which is really the product that matters in terms of long term growth and profit for Apple.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Rathji

The infographic I linked, indicated that Android has a 50% market share in in the 18-25 age range, while Apple has a 43% market share.

Its kind of comparing apples to oranges though, since there are so many versions of Android that exist in today's market. You could likely argue that someone running Android 2.x might not really be the kind of user that is really relevant in the entire discussion.

You also have things like iPod touches, not counted in those stats, which are by far the premier product in the MP3 player space. These are priming young people (under 18) to the Apple ecosystem, which is really the product that matters in terms of long term growth and profit for Apple.

The prevalence of Macs in schools also gives Apple early exposure

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I toyed around with my buddies iPhone 5 with iOS 7 today at lunch, nothing really impressive or new. I like the new layout to be honest but it's just a new skin. Adding a quick setting menu is long overdue but it just isn't nearly as refined or nice as anything on Android 4.3

Honestly what features does Android have that iOS doesn't?

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Honestly what features does Android have that iOS doesn't?

To name a few. Basically It's been a feature catch up game for iOS this last update. Owning devices from both companies it's frustrating to use my iPad because everything is locked down, though the app selection is nice.

• Vendor agnostic... I can select which hardware vendor I want
• Background setting and live wallpapers
• Widgets so I don't have to open apps to see whats going on
• Lockscreen patterns
• Lockscreen widgets, not forced go through iTunes
• Lockscreen notification (years before iOS)
• Toggles (years before iOS)
• Pattern unlock
• Facial recognition
• Multitasking (years before iOS)
• Google services syncing
• Core functionality replacement and customization i.e. (I can replace keyboards I don't like, I can customize what color of LED I get for which notification, I can customize which default browser I want)
• Google play music and cloud support.
• Google now cards and suggestions. You ask Siri something when needed, Now does that, suggests, reminds without need having to ask.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Honestly what features does Android have that iOS doesn't?

Well, less now with iOS 7 but even the ones they've copied aren't as refined or well done as their Android counterparts.

So the ones flat out missing?

The ability to choose your keyboard
-This is a big one, a big one. Stock Android has a fine keyboard and it got better with 4.2 but just imagine the iPhone with Swiftkey. It would be a massive addition.

Widgets
-Even though Android is moving away from this in terms of settings (a more robust active settings menu) these are still a functionally great thing and a beautifully great thing. I love my battery widget on one of my home screens. It blends in great with my background and goes down and changes colour as it approaches and does the same on a charge.
-An app like weather widget with active spots to engage for maps, calendar, time, alarm etc. It can't be beat.

More options
-Look at an app like Zedge, an app that lets you pick and choose seemingly any ringtone or wall paper you want. Tried doing this with iOS? It just can't be done. IIRC Zedge is in iOS with only Wallpapers but getting around the OS to actually use those wallpapers is such a hassle. I remember doing this for my girlfriend and her iPhone and it was such a pain in the butt.

Multiple user support
-This was really added in Android 4.3 and it's great for tablets. Putting a guest account on your tablet is awesome! It's not needed for some but I really like it when I go visit with my brother and his family, give my niece my Nexus 7 and let her use the guest account and I have the peace of mind knowing I don't have to watch over her to make any account purchases. Many practical reasons to have this.

Much more robust notifications
-Apple is still playing catch up here, big time. The notification menu for Android is honestly a killer app for me. The ability to swipe down and see a robust full notification system is great... then if you can continue to swipe down and see even more info for a specific notification.

You have a lot of notifications? Well less details will be shown when you first pull down the menu but if you wish to see more without going into the App just hold on that notification and swipe down just a little and it opens up more. Want to keep it there? Swipe back up and it will go to the smaller version again.

Application filing system
-In Android it's the the App drawer, in iOS it's, nothing. Every App you have is on your home screen, all of them. You can manage this somewhat by filling up folders (some you can't, won't even touch that) or by hiding an App you don't want far away 5 home screens away.. but what a nasty solution that is. An app drawer gives you the ability to have access to all your Apps but only put the ones you want on your home screens. It's much more elegant.

Choosing the default Apps you want
-When I click a link in my gmail I was given the options of which web browser to open it in. I can click Firefox, Chrome or any others. At this point I can decide if I want to use this App as my default from now on or just use Chrome this time. If I choose Chrome as my default that menu won't appear again and the link will always open in Chrome, if I want to change that later on I can no problem. That is just one explain of the default App picking.

In iOS if there is an Apple App for that, guess what your default App choice will be?

This problem is only exacerbated with Siri. It defaults to Apple apps and systems when you use it. Doesn't it use Bing now instead of Google for it's searches? That's a major misstep. Allowing your programs to choose what App you want it to use is a big thing for me.

Bigger more robust sharing options.
-This is one of those things that iOS has caught up with but isn't even close to being on the same level. Take a picture and click the sharing options and see how flipping easy it is to send to Facebook, add to Dropbox, send to kik, Snapchat, Gmail, twitter, Flickr, Instagram, Google+, Keep, etc etc etc. It's beyond simple with Android and beyond direct. Share the picture and choose what App to share it with.

Simple and robust... and light years beyond what iOS can do.
It's a little funny to ask this immediately after a big release but I'll give you the timing because while they've played catch up a bit they're still not there. Even the things they have lifted, they haven't done as well. The notification system is still light years behind what's in Android, ditto for that pull up system menu.

I hope that's decent, I've got to get running so if I think of more I'll add them if you want and I'm sure others will chime in as well.

[GGG]

My favourite part of this past week has been people saying. Wow IOS7 can do this, and I reply really Android has done that for a year.

Although I do like IOS7 on my Ipad the added features are good especially changing safari's address bar to allow searches. That was the biggest thing that was killing me switching between phone and Ipad

[Cheese]

^^^^ and...

auto updating the Apps in Android vs the stupid way you have to update in IOS.
Interchangeable batteries
ability to add memory

[HotHotHeat]

Just wanted to make sure there's still nothing on Android I care about. Assumption confirmed. Widgets are lame. Everything else in those posts are fluff.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Just wanted to make sure there's still nothing on Android I care about. Assumption confirmed. Widgets are lame. Everything else in those posts are fluff.

The iphone would be a 10000X better phone if it came with widgets.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Just wanted to make sure there's still nothing on Android I care about. Assumption confirmed. Widgets are lame. Everything else in those posts are fluff.

You like to label people as jokes or call out Bertuzzied for his crazy rants but you're the other end of the spectrum and why people A)Don't take you seriously or B)Why you're impossible to engage in discussion when it comes to Apple.

This is actually an interesting topic, seeing which mobile OS has features and which doesn't but you've shown time and time again you can't join in without turning into a bit of a child if someone doesn't agree with exactly the way you think. Your act is beyond tiresome now. Two posters gave you a long detailed list of things and you just brush them off and call them fluff? Larf. Grow up man.


Anyways, let us know when Apple adds them so you'll no longer consider them fluff.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Cheese

^^^^ and...

auto updating the Apps in Android vs the stupid way you have to update in IOS.
Interchangeable batteries
ability to add memory

...AND a DEDICATED back button!!

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Well, less now with iOS 7 but even the ones they've copied aren't as refined or well done as their Android counterparts.

So the ones flat out missing?

The ability to choose your keyboard
-This is a big one, a big one. Stock Android has a fine keyboard and it got better with 4.2 but just imagine the iPhone with Swiftkey. It would be a massive addition.

Widgets
-Even though Android is moving away from this in terms of settings (a more robust active settings menu) these are still a functionally great thing and a beautifully great thing. I love my battery widget on one of my home screens. It blends in great with my background and goes down and changes colour as it approaches and does the same on a charge.
-An app like weather widget with active spots to engage for maps, calendar, time, alarm etc. It can't be beat.

More options
-Look at an app like Zedge, an app that lets you pick and choose seemingly any ringtone or wall paper you want. Tried doing this with iOS? It just can't be done. IIRC Zedge is in iOS with only Wallpapers but getting around the OS to actually use those wallpapers is such a hassle. I remember doing this for my girlfriend and her iPhone and it was such a pain in the butt.

Multiple user support
-This was really added in Android 4.3 and it's great for tablets. Putting a guest account on your tablet is awesome! It's not needed for some but I really like it when I go visit with my brother and his family, give my niece my Nexus 7 and let her use the guest account and I have the peace of mind knowing I don't have to watch over her to make any account purchases. Many practical reasons to have this.

Much more robust notifications
-Apple is still playing catch up here, big time. The notification menu for Android is honestly a killer app for me. The ability to swipe down and see a robust full notification system is great... then if you can continue to swipe down and see even more info for a specific notification.

You have a lot of notifications? Well less details will be shown when you first pull down the menu but if you wish to see more without going into the App just hold on that notification and swipe down just a little and it opens up more. Want to keep it there? Swipe back up and it will go to the smaller version again.

Application filing system
-In Android it's the the App drawer, in iOS it's, nothing. Every App you have is on your home screen, all of them. You can manage this somewhat by filling up folders (some you can't, won't even touch that) or by hiding an App you don't want far away 5 home screens away.. but what a nasty solution that is. An app drawer gives you the ability to have access to all your Apps but only put the ones you want on your home screens. It's much more elegant.

Choosing the default Apps you want
-When I click a link in my gmail I was given the options of which web browser to open it in. I can click Firefox, Chrome or any others. At this point I can decide if I want to use this App as my default from now on or just use Chrome this time. If I choose Chrome as my default that menu won't appear again and the link will always open in Chrome, if I want to change that later on I can no problem. That is just one explain of the default App picking.

In iOS if there is an Apple App for that, guess what your default App choice will be?

This problem is only exacerbated with Siri. It defaults to Apple apps and systems when you use it. Doesn't it use Bing now instead of Google for it's searches? That's a major misstep. Allowing your programs to choose what App you want it to use is a big thing for me.

Bigger more robust sharing options.
-This is one of those things that iOS has caught up with but isn't even close to being on the same level. Take a picture and click the sharing options and see how flipping easy it is to send to Facebook, add to Dropbox, send to kik, Snapchat, Gmail, twitter, Flickr, Instagram, Google+, Keep, etc etc etc. It's beyond simple with Android and beyond direct. Share the picture and choose what App to share it with.

Simple and robust... and light years beyond what iOS can do.
It's a little funny to ask this immediately after a big release but I'll give you the timing because while they've played catch up a bit they're still not there. Even the things they have lifted, they haven't done as well. The notification system is still light years behind what's in Android, ditto for that pull up system menu.

I hope that's decent, I've got to get running so if I think of more I'll add them if you want and I'm sure others will chime in as well.

Well-witten post. My biggest argument is a lot of these things come down to personal preference. I like the way iOS does notifications and app management better than Android.

I'd also take issue with the use of "light years". It's hyperbolic and vague. I love the new "mission control" and how it's available even on the lock screen.

Originally Posted by Cheese

auto updating the Apps in Android vs the stupid way you have to update in IOS.

iOS now has auto updating for apps.

Interchangeable batteries
ability to add memory

Well, this isn't really a benefit of Android, because it has nothing to do with the operating system, and not all phones offer it. I could be splitting hairs here though.

And personally I'd rather have the better build quality of the HTC One than the expandibility of the S4.

And technically you add storage, not memory.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

...AND a DEDICATED back button!!

...AND the option for better hardware value (e.g. NEXUS).