[Signing] Oilers sign RNH to contract extension (7 yrs)

[stamphater]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Paying through the nose as opposed to the bargain basement contract RNH signed for 22 goals in his career? You think Kadri will get more than $6 million on his next deal? I highly doubt it unless he finishes top 10 in scoring. Not even sure the Habs would want to commit more than $6 million long term to Subban as they don't seem completely sold on him yet.

Kadri had 44 points last season. He took a bridge deal but he will make them pay if he continues his progression. Especially as a centre in TO...he will be making well north of $6, IMO. As for PK, Norris Winner/first team all-star. He is going to be making $7.5-8 in one years time. That third contract has been the home run for the players. The way I see it...the Oilers are paying $6 million to push off that third contract until 2019. That is smart business as far as I'm concerned...

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

Nazem Kadri wasn't a #1 overall pick, nor was PK Subban. And the latter's bridge deal turned out to be a pretty epic mistake.

I'm just going to post this again.



That is a chart of every 2nd contract handed out to a top 5 pick since the 2nd Bettman Lockout.

Now, look at all of the ones that are 5 years or longer. Ask yourself, "which of those turned out to be a bad deal"? My answer is "none of them". Granted, a couple of the recent ones are probably too early to tell.

Ask yourself, "which of those contracts would the team have liked to extend for an extra year or two at the same cap hit?" My answer is "all of them", with the possible exception of Ovy and Backstrom only because those two are long enough as it is.

These deals tend to work out okay.

I would say the Vanek deal would be a contract that hasn't worked out

Also out of all the 2nd deals how many got long term deal 6 or more?

Vanek, Malkin, Crosby, Toews, Backstrom, Kane, Stamkos, Hall and now RNH

Other than the 2 Oilers, Vanek and Backstrom the other guys listed are much better and definitely more proven players at the time the deals were signed and RNH has a long ways to go before he is in their league

[speeds]

Originally Posted by kehatch

What are they going to do with Schultz and Yakupov? Do they really want a core of Hall, Eberle, RNH, Schultz, and Yakupov? Are they able to commit 30-million long term to all of those guys? That is three wingers, 1 C, and a D that can't play defense.

It will be interesting how the Oilers approach negotiations with Schultz. The problem for EDM is that:

(a) he’ll have arbitration rights next summer and
(b) he’ll likely post big offensive numbers whether he improves his defensive game, or not.

I wouldn't be surprised if EDM goes for a shorter term deal with Schultz before committing long term, unless they think his defensive game improves over the season. Improvements in his defensive game may not affect his price as much as other D given his offensive numbers will already likely see him make pretty big money, but may affect EDM's willingness to sign him longer term.

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I would say the Vanek deal would be a contract that hasn't worked out

The Vanek deal, you'll recall, was done under some pretty crazy circumstances that involved Lowe giving him a bit more via offer sheet in order to try to pry him out of Buffalo. And while it wasn't a steal, he's certainly provided 7M in value to the Sabres in terms of his scoring. The team has sucked, but that's not really his fault. He'll probably get about 7 again when he goes UFA this summer.

Also out of all the 2nd deals how many got long term deal 6 or more?
Vanek, Malkin, Crosby, Toews, Backstrom, Kane, Stamkos, Hall and now RNH
Other than the 2 Oilers, Vanek and Backstrom the other guys listed are much better and definitely more proven players at the time the deals were signed and RNH has a long ways to go before he is in their league

Seriously? This is just nonsense. Some of those deals were signed 7 or 8 years ago. The salary cap world is entirely different than it was then, and in 7 years it'll be vastly different than it is now. This is like saying the Oilers got a screaming good deal on Gretzky in the 80's because he got paid even less than they're paying Andrew Gordon now. I mean, come the *@% on.

[Robbob]

You are completely off your rocker if you think Vanek lived up to the contract Lowe gave him.

[cannon7]

I remember playing the franchise modes of the EA NHL and NHL 2K games and a winning strategy was to collect first round picks, draft top-rated prospects and then locking them up into 10 year deals at a rdiculously low rate (~$1M) before they turned into stars.

The Oilers seem to be taking a similar strategy, only they're paying a premium instead.

[Ashasx]

Who knows if somebody like Subban would have played like he did last season if he didn't receive a bridge contract.

A contract like RNH's will take away the motivation for some players. Regardless of how hard he trains, how many points he scores, after his ELC, he'll be making $6M for the following 7 seasons. He has nothing to prove. Hell, he didn't prove much before the contract and he still made $6M per.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by speeds

It will be interesting how the Oilers approach negotiations with Schultz. The problem for EDM is that:

(a) he’ll have arbitration rights next summer and
(b) he’ll likely post big offensive numbers whether he improves his defensive game, or not.

I wouldn't be surprised if EDM goes for a shorter term deal with Schultz before committing long term, unless they think his defensive game improves over the season. Improvements in his defensive game may not affect his price as much as other D given his offensive numbers will already likely see him make pretty big money, but may affect EDM's willingness to sign him longer term.

If Edmonton is smart they will trade Schultz before every team realises that he will never be that good at the defensive side of the game. My bet they could get a lot in return for him. I also think they should trade Yakopov when its time to talk contract extensions. He is another player that will give them a nice return. Between those 2 trades they could really fill out the rest of their line-up.

I don't see the RNH signing as a bad one. This kid is going to be a stud. I guess they could have waited a year, but he would have gotten the same contract anyway. Anybody that thought he would accept a bridge contract after they signed Eberle and Hall to big contracts are nuts.

[stamphater]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Who knows if somebody like Subban would have played like he did last season if he didn't receive a bridge contract.

A contract like RNH's will take away the motivation for some players. Regardless of how hard he trains, how many points he scores, after his ELC, he'll be making $6M for the following 7 seasons. He has nothing to prove. Hell, he didn't prove much before the contract and he still made $6M per.

Players who are competitors play with heart no matter the situation. Look at Hall last season or Crosby any season. Name any number of players. If a player plays strictly based on where he is on his contract; well those guys wind up on other teams pretty quickly anyways...

Cammalleri anyone?

[getbak]

I wonder how many times Regier wakes up screaming wishing he had let Vanek go and taken the four first round picks from the Oilers?

2008 - Tyler Myers (who Buffalo ended up getting anyway from LA, who got it from Anaheim, who got it as compensation for the Penner offer sheet); 2009 - Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson (meh, can't win 'em all); 2010 - Taylor Hall; 2011 - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins.


Yes, I realize things would have turned out differently with different rosters, and no incentive for the Oilers to be awful in 2010 and 2011, but Oilers is a Oilers does. The Leafs had no incentive to suck in 2010 and 2011 either, but they still did.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by getbak

I wonder how many times Regier wakes up screaming wishing he had let Vanek go and taken the four first round picks from the Oilers?

2008 - Tyler Myers (who Buffalo ended up getting anyway from LA, who got it from Anaheim, who got it as compensation for the Penner offer sheet); 2009 - Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson (meh, can't win 'em all); 2010 - Taylor Hall; 2011 - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins.


Yes, I realize things would have turned out differently with different rosters, and no incentive for the Oilers to be awful in 2010 and 2011, but Oilers is a Oilers does. The Leafs had no incentive to suck in 2010 and 2011 either, but they still did.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Hey man, at least you guys robbed the Canucks of Hodgson.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by stamphater

Kadri had 44 points last season. He took a bridge deal but he will make them pay if he continues his progression. Especially as a centre in TO...he will be making well north of $6, IMO. As for PK, Norris Winner/first team all-star. He is going to be making $7.5-8 in one years time. That third contract has been the home run for the players. The way I see it...the Oilers are paying $6 million to push off that third contract until 2019. That is smart business as far as I'm concerned...

Man are you ever out to lunch so I'm not surprised you love this move.

[van fan down by river]

I just dont get why the Oilers are giving away RFA yr. You could have signed all 3 to lower contracts. At the end of these contracts Hall, Eberle and RNH can walk as they will be UFAS. And then they will possibly back in a rebuid mode. Just doesnt make sense to me.

Wouldnt it make more sense to sign these players to 3/4yrs then resign them to big contracts at the end of their RFA status. when they are in their prime??

[van fan down by river]

Players like Kadri must be loving this.. I'm going to get paid once my bridge deal is over.

[Machiavelli]

I wonder what guys who signed "bridge contracts" think about this. I know all the teams are in different states of development, but still....

[stamphater]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Man are you ever out to lunch so I'm not surprised you love this move.

No need to be a ######. We're just talking here. I may be a half million high but salaries are going to continue to rise despite the one-year drop. The league's TV deal is coming up and that is going to drive the cap WAY up in one year's time. Whether you like or believe it or not...

[stamphater]

The bridge deal is an artificial idea created by the GMs. Look at Giroux; it messed them over. Just like it will mess the Canadians when they...or someone else is paying PK $7.5-8 million...

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

I wonder what guys who signed "bridge contracts" think about this. I know all the teams are in different states of development, but still....

'I wish my management was this stupid'

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

To me this kind of feels like how my grandparents would always give me and my cousins a card at christmas with the same amount of money in it, ensuring we all knew we were loved equally. Can't wait to see the Yak 6mil next year as well.

If I couldn't make a dinner out that my Grandma treated I would get a check in the mail for the average ticket on the bill