[News] Flames Cut 19

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

What exactly wasn't good about it to you?

From my perspective, turning a top 2 defender that was too soft and didn't add enough offense or leadership (along with a mammoth contract) into Emile Poirier, Reto Berra, and Mark Cundari is a pretty decent haul. Quite frankly, it's better than what we got for Iginla and he was worth much more.

Poirier already looks like he might make the team next year in a 2nd/3rd line RWer role. Berra might make this team out of camp as the backup or 1B and maybe even the starter if he impresses. Cundari is a solid depth defenseman with good physicality despite his size, decent offensive instincts, and good tenacity and leadership. Those are 3 nice pieces to bring back for a guy that did more to hurt than help the Flames during his tenure. Even if Cundari never plays more than 6th/7th d-man or AHL call up minutes, it's still a solid deal to increase the overall talent pool in the organization.

If nothing else, including Berra was the best part of the deal because he's an immediate option to play NHL games in case Ramo falters or MacDonald can't hack it on a regular basis. Ortio only recently turned heads within the management group, and Brossoit was almost always going to start in the minors.

Again, getting all that back for an overpaid, soft, minute-eating defenseman, who has all the tools but never puts it together, is an impressive haul in my opinion.

It was not a decent haul because we traded a 1st pairing D-man for a first and 2 "meh" prospects. It does not matter that he was "soft", he was still a top line d-man. St. Louis did not blink an eye when they could first extend him for a reason.

As much as i like Iggy, going into trade deadline, JBO was worth way more than Iggy. If Iggy had accepted the Boston deal that would have been a better haul than what JBO got.

The first would have come in any deal, so its not that big of accomplishment. I really like the way Poireir looks but when the trade happened they had no idea if he would be available at that spot. They might have traded with another team and gotten a later first and he still might have been on the board. Even if he was gone it was a very deep draft and players as good as him were taken later in the 1st round and even into the 2nd round.

As for the prospects both are a dime a dozen in other organizations. It's not like Berra was in their top 3 goalie prospects. Cundari i don't think was even in the top 5 d propsects. They were "throw in" players that did not matter to the other organization. The problem with flames fans is that they look at how much they boosted the prospect depth. Yes they did boost it, but just about anybody coming in would have been an improvement. Flames prospect depth was horrid and as long as the players coming back had 2 legs it would mean improvement.

You said something about Cundari becoming a 6/7th d-man (i think thats the best he will be) thats not hard to find in the UFA department. Cundari has a better chance at being another Paul Byron rather than making the NHL.

You mentioned Berra being back-up or starter this season. There is more of a chance that he is in the AHL this season. Not saying he is going to be a bust but at the very least he has to be a 1b goaltender. Anything less, like an average back-up, makes the trade worse. An average back-up can be had on the UFA market for cheap.

Yes JBO had some big money on his contract but the flames could have ate $1.6 million and got a better return. Feaster even said they would not listen to anybody who wanted the Flames to eat salary because he wanted the freedom to spend that extra money in the off-season. Guess how much of it he got to spend? He mis-judged the UFA and trade market big time.

Anyways i still think the flames will trade for another d-man that can play on the 2nd pairing better than a Butler, SOB, Russel, Smith or Cundari could do.

[flames_fan_down_under]

The selfish side of me wanted to see Poirier play some more pre season games but I understand Feaster's motivations to send him to juniors though. For some reason Poirier is the prospect I am most excited about.

[Jake]

Byron sent down already... what did we get for Regehr again? I like the prospect depth Feaster has built this year, but he should step away from trade talks. This trade stings even more after watching Buffalo move Regehr for two seconds last year. Hopefully Burke has a positive influence on the club in this regard.

[EYE_Overstand]

Originally Posted by Jake

Byron sent down already... what did we get for Regehr again? I like the prospect depth Feaster has built this year, but he should step away from trade talks. This trade stings even more after watching Buffalo move Regehr for two seconds last year. Hopefully Burke has a positive influence on the club in this regard.

Are people on here still talking about the regehr trade? Move on! And see all the positives that have been added to this organization since that trade.

[Vulcan]

With proven guys like Ian White looking for work I don't see anyone grabbing Cundari. I could see us claiming a physical defenceman though.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by EYE_Overstand

Are people on here still talking about the regehr trade? Move on! And see all the positives that have been added to this organization since that trade.

God no kidding. Stop effing crying about it already!

[Gary83]

Originally Posted by Jake

Byron sent down already... what did we get for Regehr again? I like the prospect depth Feaster has built this year, but he should step away from trade talks. This trade stings even more after watching Buffalo move Regehr for two seconds last year. Hopefully Burke has a positive influence on the club in this regard.

Sure wish Feaster would've just let Erixon walk instead of trading him for Horak and two round picks.

[Change of Heart]

Nice to see Coda Gordon have a 3 point game last night versus the Regina Pats. I am really excited to see him play at the Dome this year against the Hitmen.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

The selfish side of me wanted to see Poirier play some more pre season games but I understand Feaster's motivations to send him to juniors though. For some reason Poirier is the prospect I am most excited about.

I'm pretty stoked that with his apparent skill and speed that the Flames have come right out and said that he needs to improve his fitness.... If he can end up getting faster (and stronger) over the next couple of years as his fitness improves, then he is going to be a beast of a winger to try to contain.

It is already really impressive how explosive his acceleration is. If he mangaes to find another gear above that I am going to need to find new adjectives to describe speed.

[MissTeeks]

Darren Dreger‏@DarrenDreger2m
Following cleared waivers: Cgy--M.Cundari, P.Byron, G.Nemisz; MTL--R.Mayer; VAN--P.Pelletier, C.Stuart, Z.Hamill.

[lanny9]

My thoughts on Monahan, if he is "close" to NHL ready or seems to be ready, play him the 9 games, if he holds his own keep him up, if not send him down for the year. If the Flames decide to keep him up I would hope and lobby the Flames to make him available for the WJC. Canada will need help this year as many of the drafted players, I am sure, will not be made available so I think Calgary needs to let him go since we are in the beginnings of a re-build. WJC is a great experience for these guys and the chance to represent Canada sits very high on most all Canadian hockey players, no matter what age.

[djsFlames]

I dunno, I'd say Agostino, Klimchuk and Hanowski could turn out to be as good as the Jay Bo return. Two possible impact players, whereas unless Berra amounts to anything in NA or Cundari can crack the big team permanently, it's possible that Poirier could be the only return that impacts the big team for the future.

It's too bad we couldn't get a read on Klimchuk this camp..

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Darren Dreger‏@DarrenDreger2m
Following cleared waivers: Cgy--M.Cundari, P.Byron, G.Nemisz; MTL--R.Mayer; VAN--P.Pelletier, C.Stuart, Z.Hamill.

Whew no one claimed Nemisz, was worried there for a second.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by EYE_Overstand

Are people on here still talking about the regehr trade? Move on! And see all the positives that have been added to this organization since that trade.

I apologize for going back longer than one spring/summer in evaluating our GM. This is the same guy that staved off a rebuild for several years. And I did recognize the positives in the same post I criticized him. Seriously, some of you are really short tempered.

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Whew no one claimed Nemisz, was worried there for a second.

Shouldn't your comment be in green text?

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Angelino

Shouldn't your comment be in green text?

Don't think it was needed.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Jake

I apologize for going back longer than one spring/summer in evaluating our GM. This is the same guy that staved off a rebuild for several years. And I did recognize the positives in the same post I criticized him. Seriously, some of you are really short tempered.

For me its hard to criticize Feaster for not starting the rebuild earlier.

Firstly, the Flames had no organizational depth when he took over. Do you trade Iginla sooner and try to kick start a rebuild with a larger return? Or do you string together a couple drafts and build up your prospect depth and try to add to that depth? I personally like the depth approach because I feel it creates competition as well as spreads the pressure these kids will inevitably get around to a much larger pool.

Secondly, Iginla was arguably the most important player in franchise history and there was genuinely a belief among the owners and management team that they could win with him as their captain. Obviously it didn't work out in the end but I can't blame them for trying. Especially after going through the mid 90's when this team was ripped apart to save a buck.

[Jay Random]

More to the point, we don't know that Iginla would have waived his NTC any sooner. That was the first requirement for any rebuild.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

More to the point, we don't know that Iginla would have waived his NTC any sooner. That was the first requirement for any rebuild.

Iggy had come out many times and said that if they went in another direction he would consider waiving.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Iggy had come out many times and said that if they went in another direction he would consider waiving.

Had he? What I mostly recall is him saying that the team had never asked him to waive, and the team saying he had never asked them for a trade.

And even if he did consider it, maybe the answer he came up with was 'no'.