[Signing] Oilers sign RNH to contract extension (7 yrs)

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

The Oilers will be a decent team, but they don't have the ability to afford a proper supporting cast that would push them over the top.

This is the big thing that's going to keep the Oilers from being successful.

Next year their big free agents are going to be Jesse Schultz, who's shown he's as big a mercenary as it gets. He's not going to want a bridge contract. He's going to be looking for big dollars.

So suddenly you have Hall, Eberle, RNH and Schultz eating up $24 million probably. Petry, who I don't think is great is going to be in line for a bigger deal. lets say 3 so now your at $27.00. Then the next year you get Yakapov wanting the same deal if not more then the other guys so lets say 6.5. your now at $33 million, and you've still got to look at goaltending, their blueline isn't great and their forward depth isn't great and they are going to have to pay to add on to that.

Especially since it looks like their prospect pool especially at forward is drying up. The Oilers are going to be a losing franchise with a flashy top end. Part of the issue is their drafting strategy as well.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by The Coppernian One

Since I picked on this in my last post, you said similar to Wheeler and Bogosian, who each have cap hits north of 5M per year, so this is different than your earlier post.

Also, what makes you think that he could be extended for 2 years at 5M total after this season (what incentive would he have to sign your bridge contract before playing this season)?

He's already given indication that he's better than Horcoff and Brule.

has he played any 24 games better than Horcoff played in the 2006 SC playoffs.???


Not 24 straight games for RNH, just 24 of his best do not match up with Horcoffs 24 straight in the playoffs.

That is why the Oilers peed their pants in excitement and extended Horcoff for a front loaded 5.5 M cap hit 6 year deal WHILE he was injured!!!!

The plan was that he would have been a bargain playing for 5.5M in 2012-13 while leading the league in scoring and contending for the Frank Selke.

5.5 M was going to be a huge bargain for a true #1 centre.

Those that do not learn from their mistakes are bound to repeat them.

[ricardodw]

double post

[Walter Reed]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

This is the big thing that's going to keep the Oilers from being successful.

Next year their big free agents are going to be Jesse Schultz, who's shown he's as big a mercenary as it gets. He's not going to want a bridge contract. He's going to be looking for big dollars.

So suddenly you have Hall, Eberle, RNH and Schultz eating up $24 million probably. Petry, who I don't think is great is going to be in line for a bigger deal. lets say 3 so now your at $27.00. Then the next year you get Yakapov wanting the same deal if not more then the other guys so lets say 6.5. your now at $33 million, and you've still got to look at goaltending, their blueline isn't great and their forward depth isn't great and they are going to have to pay to add on to that.

Especially since it looks like their prospect pool especially at forward is drying up. The Oilers are going to be a losing franchise with a flashy top end. Part of the issue is their drafting strategy as well.

Care to elaborate on your final statement?

[sun]

Originally Posted by InBurkeWeTrust

Lol this has the Miami Heat written all over it.

Eberle- D Wade
Hall- Lebron
RNH - Useless Bosh

The Miami Heat are probably better at the game of hockey than the oilers though.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Walter Reed

Care to elaborate on your final statement?

I would suspect part of it is drafting too many similar types of players.
However they appeared to shift that course in the last draft. Nurse is exactly the guy they should have and did pick.

[MoneyGuy]

I think the Oilers should have waited a season to see how his injury plays out, but the kid has only had one injury, and since 1990 only four players - Crosby, Stamkos, Kovalchuk and Jagr - have more PPG than Nuge before age 20 with at least 100 games. There is risk, but any contract has risk. If he stays healthy and the cap increases as it should, this will be a good deal for the team.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

He signed for 42m for 7 years.

If he signed for 2 years at 5M. ... Similar to Bogosian and Wheeler for the Jets 2nd contract that would leave the 37 M for the remaining 5 years ie 7.4 M /year. basically top 10 in the league money

Thing is, if their goal is a championship, then that $1.4M in cap space for years 3-7 is likely worth more than $3.5M in years 1-2.

This is likely the path the Flames should take with, say, Monahan - assuming he shows enough on his ELC.

[Walter Reed]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I would suspect part of it is drafting too many similar types of players.
However they appeared to shift that course in the last draft. Nurse is exactly the guy they should have and did pick.

I believe the Oilers use the same drafting strategy as every other sports team, taking the best player available. I've never understood making a selection strictly based upon need because by the time a player becomes NHL ready, the teams needs may have changed or the team could make trades to fill a need. Can one imagine the Flames not drafting Connor McDavid given the opportunity because they believed they already had a stable of offensive centers or management thought, gee ..... we won't be able to afford him in a few years so let's select a less skilled player ..... ?

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Walter Reed

Can one imagine the Flames not drafting Connor McDavid given the opportunity because they believed they already had a stable of offensive centers or management thought, gee ..... we won't be able to afford him in a few years so let's select a less skilled player ..... ?

Lol, if only we ever had that predicament.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I think the Oilers should have waited a season to see how his injury plays out, but the kid has only had one injury, and since 1990 only four players - Crosby, Stamkos, Kovalchuk and Jagr - have more PPG than Nuge. There is risk, but any contract has risk. If he stays healthy and the cap increases as it should, this will be a good deal for the team.

Not sure what kind of made up stat you're trying to quote, but Nugent Hopkins has a career points per game average of 0.745. There are currently 34 active players with a career points per game average higher than that. And actually there are probably more, as the site I'm looking at only lists players with at least 500 points.

You can check them all out here: http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/recor...e-leaders.html

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Not sure what kind of made up stat you're trying to quote, but Nugent Hopkins has a career points per game average of 0.745. There are currently 34 active players with a career points per game average higher than that. And actually there are probably more, as the site I'm looking at only lists players with at least 500 points.

You can check them all out here: http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/recor...e-leaders.html

Sorry, I meant players with at least 100 games before age 20. I've corrected my post.

[The Coppernian One]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Bogosian and Wheeler signed 2 year deals for a total of 5M that lead them to their current contracts.


You are correct there is no reason to extend RHN at this time.


If he has as good a season as Subban had 2011-12 he is basically forced to sign the same contract as Subban .


Subban had a fantastic year in 2011-12 36 points in 81 games playing 24 minutes a game.


The Canadians gave him a choice: play for them for the next 2 years at 5.7 total or sit the year out or play in the KHL. and then come back and play for the next 2 years at 2.5/yr.


That is what RHN would have if he suddenly develops into Giroux/Crosby and scores 30 goals and 80 pts this year.

The only leverage a player has coming off his ELC is if some team makes him an offer sheet...

If no one made Subban an offer sheet before last season when he was holding out..... nobody is going to mortgage their franchise for RNH.


PS. The whole league has told MacTavish/Lowe this as no one would trade a top flight rugged forward or top 2 pairing D-man for anything that MacTavish had to offer. MacTavish started out with the goal that he was going to make the Oilers more competitive and that he was willing to do some major trades and he came up empty. It is just mind boggling that the Oilers are doubling down on the team and players that they have been league doormats with.

You are correct about Wheeler and Bogosian's last contracts, so for that I apologize.

That out of the way I still think you're argument isn't good. There is a gamble involved which has been acknowledged by myself and others. But it also can work out very well. And saving money is still saving money, especially if it sets up other contracts to be lower (not unlike what Detroit did with Lidstrom), like Yakupov IF he proves to be a top player.

Using PK's situation isn't a great argument either as that may come back to bite the Habs. Sure, they held him over a barrel but now that he's got a Norris under his belt and if he has a decent, good or great year he can hold them hostage instead. Particularly when the guys he beat will have cap hits of 7.2M and 7.5+M. Giving him a couple million more last year and this year may have saved Montreal a couple million for several years after that. I guess will have a better idea when PK re-ups.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Sorry, I meant players with at least 100 games before age 20. I've corrected my post.

Lol. You should say that no player who has played exactly 102 games in his first two years while under 20 has more PPG in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD! Now he's number 1!

[Walter Reed]

Originally Posted by The Coppernian One

You are correct about Wheeler and Bogosian's last contracts, so for that I apologize.

That out of the way I still think you're argument isn't good. There is a gamble involved which has been acknowledged by myself and others. But it also can work out very well. And saving money is still saving money, especially if it sets up other contracts to be lower (not unlike what Detroit did with Lidstrom), like Yakupov IF he proves to be a top player.

Using PK's situation isn't a great argument either as that may come back to bite the Habs. Sure, they held him over a barrel but now that he's got a Norris under his belt and if he has a decent, good or great year he can hold them hostage instead. Particularly when the guys he beat will have cap hits of 7.2M and 7.5+M. Giving him a couple million more last year and this year may have saved Montreal a couple million for several years after that. I guess will have a better idea when PK re-ups.

To a certain extent, I agree. In essence, every contract is a calculated gamble.
I'm certainly not going to defend Oiler management on their decision to sign RNH on salary or term, it could be a good, fair or terrible deal for the club ......

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Walter Reed

I believe the Oilers use the same drafting strategy as every other sports team, taking the best player available. I've never understood making a selection strictly based upon need because by the time a player becomes NHL ready, the teams needs may have changed or the team could make trades to fill a need. Can one imagine the Flames not drafting Connor McDavid given the opportunity because they believed they already had a stable of offensive centers or management thought, gee ..... we won't be able to afford him in a few years so let's select a less skilled player ..... ?

The Oilers have actually drafted pretty poorly after the first round.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Oilers have actually drafted pretty poorly after the first round.

That's incompetence though, not a strategy

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by Wood

Steve Begin scored just as many goals last season in less games than RNH

So give him $8m if goals last season is the sole criteria.

[Miniac]

Wow two injury plagued seasons yet they give him 7 years @ 6mil per. That is a lot of money for someone yet to prove they are worth it. A high risk high reward contract I guess. All I can say is that they're going to be hard pressed finding an entire bottom six to play for league minimum in the coming years. Guessing Yakupov and Schultz at 6m per too.

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by InBurkeWeTrust

Lol this has the Miami Heat written all over it.

Eberle- D Wade
Hall- Lebron
RNH - Useless Bosh

If it results in a couple championships I'd probably take that and say thank you very much.