Mark "Fricken" Jankowski (aka The Big Jankowski)

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Jon Gillies is a better prospect than Subban IMO

Absolutely. Subban is over-rated because of his last name. He was hot garbage at the World Junior's last year and although NCAA vs. CHL has been debated to death, Gillies has a better GAA and a very slightly lower SV% playing for a bottom 3 team, while Subban had the advantage of playing for the 2nd best team in the OHL.

[moon]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Absolutely. Subban is over-rated because of his last name. He was hot garbage at the World Junior's last year and although NCAA vs. CHL has been debated to death, Gillies has a better GAA and a very slightly lower SV% playing for a bottom 3 team, while Subban had the advantage of playing for the 2nd best team in the OHL.

Subban was fine and one of the better, if not top 2, goalies at the WJHC last season.

[Caged Great]

Janko needs to get more than 30 points this season. It was understandable that he only got 18 in 34 games last year after transitioning up to the higher level from playing in high school, but he needs to show more.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by moon

Subban was fine and one of the better, if not top 2, goalies at the WJHC last season.

Just NO, Gibson, Vasilevskiy, Lidstrome and Makarov were far better and it wasn't even close!

Subban shouldn't have even been on that team, he sucked at camp and was even worst in the tourney.

BTW, did you see his preseason performance against detroit last week?

8 goals in 23 shots

[moon]

Vasilevski wasn't the best goalie on his own team, Makarov was not better at all and Lidstrom was slightly worse. Gibson probably was a little better (although nowhere close to as overrated as some have him now.)

Subban was by far the best goalie coming into the camp and a 4 day camp is a stupid way to determine 100% who should or shouldn't make the team. He 100% should have been on the team, 100% should have been the starter in the tournament and did just fine in the tournament.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by moon

Vasilevski wasn't the best goalie on his own team, Makarov was not better at all and Lidstrom was slightly worse. Gibson probably was a little better (although nowhere close to as overrated as some have him now.)

Subban was by far the best goalie coming into the camp and a 4 day camp is a stupid way to determine 100% who should or shouldn't make the team. He 100% should have been on the team, 100% should have been the starter in the tournament and did just fine in the tournament.

What are you talking about? Vasilevski played the most on his team and had the second best stats behind Gibson

I suggest you look up Sabban's WJ stats, Somewhere around 7th best is my guess. As far as camp goes, why have one if it's pre-determined who makes it? Didn't heads roll after the the way they picked that team?

[moon]

Originally Posted by T@T

What are you talking about? Vasilevski played the most on his team and had the second best stats behind Gibson

I suggest you look up Sabban's WJ stats, Somewhere around 7th best is my guess. As far as camp goes, why have one if it's pre-determined who makes it? Didn't heads roll after the the way they picked that team?

I don't need to look at the stats because I watched the tournament and Makarov outplayed Vasilevski. Subban was great in the round robin game against the States and fine in every other game. There wasn't really a ton of great goaltending at the tournament so easy for Subban to out perfrom the other goalies. Looking at the stats doesn't show how he was left out to dry by the defense against the Germans or how in the SF the score was due to the skaters not showing up. It wasn't close to his fault they lost that game and the score/stats tell you nothing about how he played that game.

They have a camp because some spots are open and some pre-determined. The players have been scouted for up to 2 years in advance so to ignore that huge run of games for a short 4 day camp in which guys are trying to fit in and playing with hodgepodge line-ups would be idiotic. Subban showed before that camp that he was head and shoulders above the other goaltenders attending, just like RNH, Hubredeau, Strome and Schiefle did.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by moon

Subban was fine and one of the better, if not top 2, goalies at the WJHC last season.

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Janko needs to get more than 30 points this season. It was understandable that he only got 18 in 34 games last year after transitioning up to the higher level from playing in high school, but he needs to show more.

Why does Jankowski need to put up 30 points or more this season? The leading scorer from last season only put up 24 points. The team also lost several of their top players to graduation, so the team could very well take a step backward. If Jankowski scores 30 points this year it will be a miracle. I think some of you guys need to spend some time following college hockey and get an idea of how these teams play. The expectations are just unrealistic.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by New Era

Why does Jankowski need to put up 30 points or more this season? The leading scorer from last season only put up 24 points. The team also lost several of their top players to graduation, so the team could very well take a step backward. If Jankowski scores 30 points this year it will be a miracle. I think some of you guys need to spend some time following college hockey and get an idea of how these teams play. The expectations are just unrealistic.

That is a possibility of course. But they were a very young team last year and are expected by most to be better this year. One article posted in another thread has them ranked 9th going into the season (17th at the end of last year?).

As for Jankowski getting 30 points this year, that sounds pretty reasonable to me. I would hope and expect him to put up 0.75 PPG, which should translate to 30+ points. I don't see that as unrealistic at all.

[moon]

Originally Posted by New Era

Why does Jankowski need to put up 30 points or more this season? The leading scorer from last season only put up 24 points. The team also lost several of their top players to graduation, so the team could very well take a step backward. If Jankowski scores 30 points this year it will be a miracle. I think some of you guys need to spend some time following college hockey and get an idea of how these teams play. The expectations are just unrealistic.

LOL at the first part. Solid response as always from you.

Was the leading scorer for Providence last year a former first round pick? Is he expected to be a top line center in the NHL? No.

Well then I would think Jankowski would have expectations a little higher then the random leading scorer on a mediocre-poor NCAA team. It isn't that crazy to think that Jankowski would put up numbers that seem higher than normal considering he is a former first round pick with high expectations and most College guys are done after their 4 years.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by moon

LOL at the first part. Solid response as always from you.

Completely valid response. That is a pretty obvious a troll as anyone can make on a hockey forum. Subban was a joke last year. Take away the three guys who only played a game and Subban was 6th in GAA and 7th in S%. Considering Canada is a perennial favorite to win the tournament, those stats are pathetic. When the games mattered, Subban folded. I have no idea what the coaching staff saw in this kid, but he stunk in camp and was outplayed by both Binnington and Broissoit. The decision tokeep Subban was obviously political as he was soundly outplayed in camp and that result was supported at the WJC.

Was the leading scorer for Providence last year a former first round pick? Is he expected to be a top line center in the NHL? No.

How many freshmen lead their hockey team in scoring in the NCAA? How many sophomores do? Draft position doesn't mean a helluva lot except to increase expectations on players. Players who end up in defense first systems, like Jankowski, are at a huge disadvantage with those types of fans. I hope for Jankowski to be a team leader and near the top of their roster in scoring. If he leads the team in scoring that is great. If he has a year of growth and play like last season I will be exceptionally happy. The knock against Jankowski is no having played systems and being behind other players in this regard. The experience he gets at Providence, and playing their tight defensive systems, will be the best learning opportunity for the kid possible.

Well then I would think Jankowski would have expectations a little higher then the random leading scorer on a mediocre-poor NCAA team. It isn't that crazy to think that Jankowski would put up numbers that seem higher than normal considering he is a former first round pick with high expectations and most College guys are done after their 4 years.

Once again, you obviously don't know anything about the style of hockey Providence plays and how that impacts the production of players. The Friars haven't had a player break 30 points in 6 years, and that trick was done by senior, and ex-Flame, Jon Rheault. Draft position does not affect the style a team plays, but the style a team plays certainly does impact a players ability to score a lot of points. I say look for growth, not just points, when you evaluate players.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by New Era

Why does Jankowski need to put up 30 points or more this season? The leading scorer from last season only put up 24 points. The team also lost several of their top players to graduation, so the team could very well take a step backward. If Jankowski scores 30 points this year it will be a miracle. I think some of you guys need to spend some time following college hockey and get an idea of how these teams play. The expectations are just unrealistic.

Statistically speaking, if a young player like Janko only gets 20 or so points in his 19 year old year, it usually means that there isn't a huge amount of offensive upside long term. If he gets 30 (or close like 28) then he is coming closer to achieving his potential. Based on my viewings of him, he "should" perform towards the 30 point level give or take a few points, so if he only gets 20, then it would be a slight disappointment, where he would have to show a lot more in the coming year otherwise the possible label of potential bust might starting appearing.

Usually after their 4th year, players that only get 30 points tend to be limited offensively in the NHL, or offensively skilled AHL guys like Ben Street. Guys that are closer to 40 points or more usually can translate into top 6 guys in the NHL (That is if they are near 6', if they're 5'-6", then it's a long shot)

It'll be interesting to see if he becomes another Joe Colborne, or if he can become significantly more than that.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Statistically speaking, if a young player like Janko only gets 20 or so points in his 19 year old year, it usually means that there isn't a huge amount of offensive upside long term. If he gets 30 (or close like 28) then he is coming closer to achieving his potential. Based on my viewings of him, he "should" perform towards the 30 point level give or take a few points, so if he only gets 20, then it would be a slight disappointment, where he would have to show a lot more in the coming year otherwise the possible label of potential bust might starting appearing.

Usually after their 4th year, players that only get 30 points tend to be limited offensively in the NHL, or offensively skilled AHL guys like Ben Street. Guys that are closer to 40 points or more usually can translate into top 6 guys in the NHL (That is if they are near 6', if they're 5'-6", then it's a long shot)

It'll be interesting to see if he becomes another Joe Colborne, or if he can become significantly more than that.

Statistically speaking you have a small school that doesn't traditionally draw top end talent. Statistically speaking the Friars are one of the lower scoring programs in the NCAA. Statistically speaking the Friars haven't had a player score over 30 points since 2007. Statistically speaking the deck is stacked against anyone, including a dominant player like Johnny Gaudreau, scoring 30 points at Providence. I'm not saying its not possible, but the style the team plays does not really allow for a player to light it up.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by moon

Subban was great in the round robin game against the States and fine in every other game.

Yeah, his 2-1 game was great, but choking and pulled in the final 2 games when the pressures on is far from fine..it's brutal.

There are only a handfull of people who think he played well in that tourney, you and possibly his family.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by New Era

Statistically speaking you have a small school that doesn't traditionally draw top end talent. Statistically speaking the Friars are one of the lower scoring programs in the NCAA. Statistically speaking the Friars haven't had a player score over 30 points since 2007. Statistically speaking the deck is stacked against anyone, including a dominant player like Johnny Gaudreau, scoring 30 points at Providence. I'm not saying its not possible, but the style the team plays does not really allow for a player to light it up.

I understand they play defensive hockey. Still, a good offensive player should be able to still put up enough points. The Friars leader had 24 points last season. He should get around that much then if he's progressing well at the minimum.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I understand they play defensive hockey. Still, a good offensive player should be able to still put up enough points. The Friars leader had 24 points last season. He should get around that much then if he's progressing well at the minimum.

He was also 4 years older than Jankowski was.

I'm all about Jankowski putting up points, and would be a bit worried if he doesn't improve his numbers, but I don't think his development should be purely based on numbers. I want to see him using his size to more of an advantage and that is going to require him to change his game up. Getting use to a new style of game, especially at 19 years of age, will be a difficult task. At this point I'd much rather have him drive to the net and miss a goal than get a point playing perimeter hockey afraid to engage with others.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by moon

Subban was fine and one of the better, if not top 2, goalies at the WJHC last season.

That's ridiculous. Even for you.

[Da_Chief]

LOL at Subban being a top 2 goalie at the tourny last year. You make me laugh mooney.

Gibson overrated? please. Come up with something else.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

He was also 4 years older than Jankowski was.

I'm all about Jankowski putting up points, and would be a bit worried if he doesn't improve his numbers, but I don't think his development should be purely based on numbers. I want to see him using his size to more of an advantage and that is going to require him to change his game up. Getting use to a new style of game, especially at 19 years of age, will be a difficult task. At this point I'd much rather have him drive to the net and miss a goal than get a point playing perimeter hockey afraid to engage with others.

Well, if Janko is supposed to become a top 6 forward in the NHL, he should be making moves to be one of the top producing 19 year olds in the league, and should be either the top or near the top scorer on his team. Stats are a merely a barometer of his overall offensive play. If he doesn't reach the statistical expectation, it's not the end of the world at all. Maybe there was a minor injury or other circumstances, it's just that he will have to show even more the next year and beyond in order to make it believable that he could one day be a top 6 guy in the NHL.

Expecting him to get around 25+ points isn't really out of line if he's as skilled offensively as he "should" be. It's like saying that Cammalleri should get 60+ points this year if healthy.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

LOL at Subban being a top 2 goalie at the tourny last year. You make me laugh mooney.

Gibson overrated? please. Come up with something else.

He was listed as a possible Olympiuc goalie despite doing nothing close to showing hevis at that level. Yes hevis vastly overrated.