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Old 09-10-2013, 12:15 PM   #101
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http://o.canada.com/2013/09/10/quebe...medium=twitter

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OTTAWA — Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s government warned Tuesday it will launch a legal challenge against Quebec’s proposed charter of values if the charter is deemed to be unconstitutional.

The blunt warning came shortly after Quebec unveiled its plan to ban public servants from wearing many religious symbols at work.
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Old 09-10-2013, 12:27 PM   #102
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I'm an atheist and I think this whole thing is bunk. It reeks of discrimination and xenophobia.
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If it's send unconstitutional, isn't that enough? What would be the end result of a further legal action?
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:06 PM   #104
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Notwithstanding clause I think. Quebec used it when their language laws were deemed unconstitutional.
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You know, they might have won some people over if they had put this on the "not acceptable" list.

I never got that... shouldn't it be a pirate's hat?
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Old 09-10-2013, 05:20 PM   #106
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I never got that... shouldn't it be a pirate's hat?
I guess you've never been touched by his noodly appendage.
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I surely well have!!

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Old 09-10-2013, 06:36 PM   #108
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Just realized the last picture on the poster is a yamaca(sp?).
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Old 09-10-2013, 06:41 PM   #109
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Just realized the last picture on the poster is a yamaca(sp?).
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I'd like to kind of retract what I said in a previous post.

I mentioned that (more or less) anything that takes religion out of day to day life is fine by me, solid in my books.

I still stand by that (Faith is as much a hindrance as a blessing) but having done a bit more digging on what's happening in France and copied in Quebec leaves me feeling ill.

It's moderated hatred wrapped in a veil of societal protection and progress.
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What a load of garbage this whole thing is. A Sikh man can't wear a turban, but they are going to leave crosses up because they are part of Quebec's heritage.

Quite honestly, if this goes through, it should be the last straw for Quebec. If they want their separate society to include this, then it's time for that society to become a little more separate.

Quite frankly, I don't see how any court could possibly uphold this. It's a total infringement on basic and fundamental liberties, and it is a huge deal. This makes all of Canada look like a bunch of bigots. The fact that this is even on the table in Quebec, let alone the fact it is being democratically supported, sickens me.

The fact that Western Canada is providing Quebec with approximately 8 billion dollars in transfer payments makes this even more discusting. Time to turn off the tap. The idea of my tax dollars going to support this fascist garbage makes me sick.
The current situation in Quebec will never change. That province will always be doing something totally irrational in the name of preserving their French society or just to get attention, while endlessly siphoning billions from western Canada. This legislation makes Canada look really bad on the international scale, and lumps all Canadians into xenophobic bigots with no respect for someones culture and freedom of choice. Someone from Calgary could be in the UK and people would think "These guys want to blatantly discriminate against visible minorities" . They may not understand the regionalism that occurs in Canada, but would just read the news that a province in Canada has a majority of people supporting the governments racist proposals.

I think its time that western Canada take a good hard look at leaving. We would certainly be better off economically and just be able to watch Quebec and Ontario squabble it out with this kind of garbage for eternity without having to foot the bill.
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Quebec is full of a-holes.. why is anyone shocked by this?
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Quebec is full of a-holes.. why is anyone shocked by this?
Oh c'mon

So is Calgary sometimes


But it is DEFINITELY a completely different culture out there.... much more than just language
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I would assume that the unconstitutional part of this discussion would be ignored by Quebec
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The only people to be left in that province will be a bunch of ignorant bigots. Self fulfilling prophecy.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09...alues-charter/

‘We don’t care what’s on your head’: Ontario hospital launches ad aimed at Quebec medical students, values charter
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Old 09-12-2013, 07:18 PM   #116
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I would assume that the unconstitutional part of this discussion would be ignored by Quebec
Quebec can always use the not withstanding clause which gets you out of section 2 of the charter. Provincial governments in canada can overide the fundemental protections in the charter through an act of te legislature.
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The current situation in Quebec will never change. That province will always be doing something totally irrational in the name of preserving their French society or just to get attention, while endlessly siphoning billions from western Canada. This legislation makes Canada look really bad on the international scale, and lumps all Canadians into xenophobic bigots with no respect for someones culture and freedom of choice. Someone from Calgary could be in the UK and people would think "These guys want to blatantly discriminate against visible minorities" . They may not understand the regionalism that occurs in Canada, but would just read the news that a province in Canada has a majority of people supporting the governments racist proposals.

I think its time that western Canada take a good hard look at leaving.
We would certainly be better off economically and just be able to watch Quebec and Ontario squabble it out with this kind of garbage for eternity without having to foot the bill.
The only thing worse (and more lame, for lack of a better word) than Quebec separatism, is Western separatism.

Yes these arguments are annoying, and having to contribute monetarily to them is almost insulting, but it's a very VERY small part of the provinces economic story. For some reason Westerners think Quebec is just this black hole where we through all of our money down. This is not true.

Besides all the other benefits of remaining part of the country, some quantifiable, some not, I'm curious to think why you'd think we'd be better off economically? Sure we boom, but we also bust. I think it's pretty short-sighted to think we'd be on easy street if we just left. That leaving would even solve any of the current 'problems' at all.

I would argue that even for the times we have to help out the East, being part of a larger economy is far more beneficial to us than the money we lose. You are also forgetting, that we are sometimes a recipient of equalization too. So it does go both ways.

Not to mention a country of 4-8 million (wherever you're drawing the lines) isn't nearly large enough to have a sustainable economic plan (barring some obvious outliers, which would not pertain to us). We'd be at the mercy of the markets even more so than Canada is now!

Lastly, I dunno why you'd say the West anyway? You think those in BC, especially Vancouver, would want to be part of that? Hah!

Like I said, short-sighted, and kinda lame. Really lame actually.
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:31 AM   #118
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I was thinking about this last night, and the PQ should actually be commended for this - they've brought Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs and others together for a common cause. By proposing this they've done more for co-operation among faiths in a matter of weeks than it seems most groups have done in centuries.
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:32 AM   #119
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I had to read that three times to get exactly what you were saying! Haha!

EDIT: As far as the news goes today, a BQ (not PQ) member left/was asked to leave the party for speaking out against this charter.

As I said earlier, this will bite the PQ in the butt before it's all over. It's already seems to be hurting them, and the separatist cause in general. While it is something to be concerned about, cause freedoms should always be fought for, in the end I think it's going to be much ado about nothing.

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Old 09-13-2013, 12:16 PM   #120
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We should have a referendum to remove Quebec from Canada. I'd vote Yes.
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