What's sad about all this is the truly innovative features of the 5s aren't being discussed. A freaking fingerprint sensor to replace passwords in iTunes and passcodes, 64 bit hardware that will allow for amazing graphics and better power consumption, 720p 120 FPS video... Burst mode with 10 shots in a second...Not bad. This is only an incremental update... Already excited for next year haha.
What's lost on a lot of people here as well is that the average consumer (ie. No one here) looks at the contract price for the phone... And when they see they can get a brand new iPhone for $99, it's going to be attractive.
Two points on here:
In the foreign markets the contract price is non-existent. This is why Apple has not taken over the foreign markets yet and I don't think the $100 difference between the 5S and 5C is going to make a difference is the foreign markets.
If the 5C was supposed to be the cheap device to help them in foreign markets I don't think the price was accurate for the market.
There are two types of consumers in the North American cell phone market: A)Those willing to pay for their phone, and B)Those that want a zero dollar phone.
In the last year since the launch of the iPhone 5, the iPhone 4 ($0) and the iPhone 5 ($179) were the top sellers from the Apple line. The $99 iPhone 4S was not a big seller except for when it was on promo for $0.
Granted the difference between the 4 and 4S is smaller then the difference between the 4S and 5C (IMO) so that might help them but all I really think the 5C is going to do is cannibalize the the 5S market. The people that want the $0 phone will get the 4S, and the people that are willing to spend money on their phone will decide between the 5C (more fun, color options) and the 5S (better performance).
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What's sad about all this is the truly innovative features of the 5s aren't being discussed. A freaking fingerprint sensor to replace passwords in iTunes and passcodes, 64 bit hardware that will allow for amazing graphics and better power consumption, 720p 120 FPS video... Burst mode with 10 shots in a second...Not bad. This is only an incremental update... Already excited for next year haha.
Nice device don't get me wrong but to call that "truly innovative" is a stretch.
Fingerprint Scanner: meh IMO- same thing was innovative on laptops 4 years ago and that died pretty quickly.
720p 120 FPS Camera: Note 3 and S4 also have this capability, don't think it is huge innovation.
Burst Mode: Not innovative at all, Blackberry already has this feature.
Of that list the only really innovative thing is the 64 bit hardware, and TBH I am not sure the phone has enough RAM for that to really matter.
Edit: Actually how they implemented the fingerprint scanner was pretty slick so I will give them that too. Still more incremental then innovative overall though.
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720p 120 FPS Camera: Note 3 and S4 also have this capability, don't think it is huge innovation.
Burst Mode: Not innovative at all, Blackberry already has this feature.
Of that list the only really innovative thing is the 64 bit hardware, and TBH I am not sure the phone has enough RAM for that to really matter.
Edit: Actually how they implemented the fingerprint scanner was pretty slick so I will give them that too. Still more incremental then innovative overall though.
It's pretty hard to truly innovate in this market. I think it's more about keeping a compelling feature set. What other smart phone has 120 fps AND burst mode AND fingerprint scanning AND 64 bit? (Granted we don't know the impact of 64-bit yet but presumably they didn't do it just for bragging rights). Others may know better but their photo processing logic sounds pretty advanced and they've got some interesting things going on with the motion chip and Bluetooth 4.0/iBeacons. Ground-breaking? Maybe not but a damn nice feature set.
Me, I'm still on contract and hoping for a larger screen iPhone 6 next year
What's sad about all this is the truly innovative features of the 5s aren't being discussed. A freaking fingerprint sensor to replace passwords in iTunes and passcodes, 64 bit hardware that will allow for amazing graphics and better power consumption, 720p 120 FPS video... Burst mode with 10 shots in a second...Not bad. This is only an incremental update... Already excited for next year haha.
Motorola did a finger print scanner on their phone first, in 2011.
Burst mode? You just bursted your nuts but again, Apple is not the first to do it.
What's sad is you once again burying your head in the sand and giving credit to Apple where it isn't due.
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Let's not get first to market confused with well implemented. The Atrix had a scanner but it was flakey. If it was so great why is the only Android to have that feature since? Lets see how Apple build quality handles this tech. Apple never invented the tablet either, I had a MSFT windows one in the mid 2000s, it was garbage.
Same with burst mode. Yes Android has it, but lets wait and see the polish Apple puts on it.
I still think is a great phone, if not the best hardware wise. I am willing to bet the reviews will back up that claim in the next few weeks.
I just hope they upgrade iOS, as I can see that being the issue for power users going forward. I guess for now jailbreaks will help out.
As with the Lumia 925, Smart Camera lets you do further editing on the fly by letting you capture a sequence of images in burst mode before and after the main photo. This means you can select best faces and compose a perfect group picture, remove unwanted moving objects or people which intrude on your shot, or create time-lapse movement photos where you can add, remove or edit individual frames and event tweak levels of fade per frame.
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Let's not get first to market confused with well implemented. The Atrix had a scanner but it was flakey. If it was so great why is the only Android to have that feature since? Lets see how Apple build quality handles this tech. Apple never invented the tablet either, I had a MSFT windows one in the mid 2000s, it was garbage.
Same with burst mode. Yes Android has it, but lets wait and see the polish Apple puts on it.
I agree with all of that but it's hard to ignore HotHotHeat's over the top fan boy comments. They're not truly innovative features, not by a long shot. What will make them neat is to see the Apple spin and polish they put on these features, that I'm totally agreed with.
But to call any of it innovative.. and credit Apple for it... just reeks of the fanboy status that makes it hard to stomach.
What Nokia is doing with camera's on mobiles is really fantastic. I've been paying a bit of attention to it. I like the lenses Sony has made as attachments to their cells as well. That's some truly innovative stuff.
They're easy to ignore, don't read the thread that's about the iPhone, or read then complain about them in the iPhone vs. Android thread, which was created so people could discuss what they want to discuss without people complaining about how much they hate that other people have opinions they disagree with.
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They're easy to ignore, don't read the thread that's about the iPhone, or read then complain about them in the iPhone vs. Android thread, which was created so people could discuss what they want to discuss without people complaining about how much they hate that other people have opinions they disagree with.
So basically, only positive thoughts in this thread?
If I want to post thoughts about the new product, I will. That means positive or negative. The trouble starts when guys can't handle negative criticism and respond like babies.
If this thread is only about a couple guys iJerking each other off then let me know and I'll back away.
So basically, only positive thoughts in this thread?
If I want to post thoughts about the new product, I will. That means positive or negative. The trouble starts when guys can't handle negative criticism and respond like babies.
If this thread is only about a couple guys iJerking each other off then let me know and I'll back away.
That's not even close to what you are doing here MMF, don't try to come across as an honest arbiter of facts because you aren't doing that. You are bringing your opinion to this thread, and there is a divergence of opinion, not everything that comes out f your mouth is automatically fact. And what this thread now becomes is clogged whith "whose phone is better" dialogue when people are coming to the thread to discuss new features, availability, price and such.
Your partisan opinions are suited to the android vs iPhone thread.
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If this thread is only about a couple guys iJerking each other off then let me know and I'll back away.
I really don't care about the fanboy stuff but a new iphone was announced and all this thread is large handful of Android fanboys iJerking each other off that they are so happy this was a disappointment and that apple is going to go out of business, 64 bit is useless, etc. It's nice to be objective but if you are an Android person make your single negative comment to show your standing and get out. I haven't posted in an android thread because I really don't care about them and it's not my place to go in there and try to convince everyone that iphones are better.
Not everyone is a phone nerd and some of us don't really care about the minute differences or slight advantages other phones may have. As I said before most of us just phone, text, browse, and take pictures with our phones. Iphone does that stuff just as well as the competition. The other stuff is fanboy nerd stuff for the boys that want to fight the good fight in the name of their favorite hardware/software company. No different than the Xbox vs PS stuff. A lot of us are over 30 and don't go full nerd over this stuff.
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Just wanted to add that yes, very few people use contracts in Europe and it makes all these decisions so much different, at least for me coming from Canada where I always bought on contract.
Now that I pay full price, I carefully weigh my decisions when buying a new phone.
