List of key RFAs left (likely to re-sign with their teams) UPDATED SEP 14

[Poe969]

and having no draft picks the year we finish dead last is probably the thing to do!

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Offer sheet him. Throw a big deal his way we have the cap space and are badly in need of a young top pairing defender. Him and Brodie could give a great future to the Flames blueline.

Not with Burke as President we won't. Besides is he really worth at least 2 first rounder's?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Offer sheet him. Throw a big deal his way we have the cap space and are badly in need of a young top pairing defender. Him and Brodie could give a great future to the Flames blueline.

It's been said that for him to even consider an offer sheet it has to be at least $7 million. Does anybody know what the draft picks given up would be for $7+ million?

If its just one first and a bunch of other picks i would say yes. However something tells me that its 2 firsts.

edit: it is 2 first round picks with a 2nd and 3rd. That makes it a no go for me. Flames should not be taking themselves out of McDavid sweepstakes yet.
One first would have been alright. No guarantees that Ekbald would be as good as him.

[Enoch Root]

not first rounders - lottery picks

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

not first rounders - lottery picks

yes you are right likely top 5 type lottery picks.

[Canada 02]

he was 4th in Norris voting in his second full NHL season. He's a terrific D-man who is worth a lot. I'm sure he and his agent are aiming for Drew Doughty's contract

Doughty's numbers before signing his 8 year deal:

239GP 33G 93A 126Pts

Pietrangelo's numbers

224GP 29G 92A 121Pts

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

^Armstrong claims he will match under all circumstances

That should help strengthen the need for Peitrangelo to accept the Blues offer..

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Yoho

That should help strengthen the need for Peitrangelo to accept the Blues offer..

I saw it as the opposite. I thought it would help Peitrangelo who might wait for an offer of over $7 million knowing he will still end up with the blues.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by FakenHaken

Not with Burke as President we won't. Besides is he really worth at least 2 first rounder's?

I agree with Burke there will be no offer sheets, which is fine I'm not a huge fan of them anyways. But if you're asking if I would trade 2 firsts for Petriangelo, the answer is probably yes. First rounders are vastly overrated here IMO. It's nice to have them and the Flames did well with theirs this year I think, but there are still no guarantees.

It may be pure Flames bias against the canucks, but of you went by a lot of the comments here, trading Bo Horvat and Shrinkruk for Petriangelo would be considered a massive steal would it not? I know the range of picks is ever changing, but I'm just spit balling and if it were me 2 firsts for Petro would be a no brainier trade.

[Poe969]

yes, but those two picks could go from Horvat and Shrinkruk to Crosby and Malkin if the Flames do as bad as some of us think... If you're going to be a 25-30 place team, then trading away a 2 potential franchise players for one doesn't make sense.

[Canada 02]

without digging deeper into individual team cap situations, Capgeek shows only 6 teams with enough space to make a $6M+ offer sheet. One is Ottawa, who do not have a 2014 1st rounder

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I agree with Burke there will be no offer sheets, which is fine I'm not a huge fan of them anyways. But if you're asking if I would trade 2 firsts for Petriangelo, the answer is probably yes. First rounders are vastly overrated here IMO. It's nice to have them and the Flames did well with theirs this year I think, but there are still no guarantees.

It may be pure Flames bias against the canucks, but of you went by a lot of the comments here, trading Bo Horvat and Shrinkruk for Petriangelo would be considered a massive steal would it not? I know the range of picks is ever changing, but I'm just spit balling and if it were me 2 firsts for Petro would be a no brainier trade.

I suppose if they were late first rounders, but my gut tells me even with Petriangelo on the team they could still be giving up Ekblad, and McDavid for Petriangelo. Then the debate will become hindsight is 20/20.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by FakenHaken

I suppose if they were late first rounders, but my gut tells me even with Petriangelo on the team they could still be giving up Ekblad, and McDavid for Petriangelo. Then the debate will become hindsight is 20/20.

Plus you'd need to overpay for St.Louis not to match so realistically we would be talking 4 first round picks to land Pietrangelo. That's a bad play for Calgary.

[Stupid]

"If a team is desperate enough that they feel they have to do that, we'll match it," Armstrong said. "If it costs us waiving a player currently on the roster, we'll do that to keep him. He's going to be a Blue. He's a top asset and we're treating him like a top asset."
(source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...spute/2797991/)

That's a beauty right thar..
Would seems like he's the one getting more desperate.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Plus you'd need to overpay for St.Louis not to match so realistically we would be talking 4 first round picks to land Pietrangelo. That's a bad play for Calgary.

Not that I'm really advocating it all that much, but where are you getting the other 2 firsts from? Are you equating overpaying to 2 first round picks?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Poe969

yes, but those two picks could go from Horvat and Shrinkruk to Crosby and Malkin if the Flames do as bad as some of us think... If you're going to be a 25-30 place team, then trading away a 2 potential franchise players for one doesn't make sense.

I don't think we should be comparing any player to those guys until they actually become those guys. For me it's fair to assume that a top-5 pick will be a decent to very very good NHL player, but to assume that a top pick is Malkin or Crosby is what I mean when I say that firsts are way overvalued.

[trackercowe]

I wonder if the Oilers would offersheet Pietrangelo. He's pretty much exactly what they need, they have the cap space (or could make room for it), and they have to be getting sick of solely depending on first rounders anyway. I dunno if Lowe and Co. wants to make new enemies, but it sounds like something they would do.

Although then you'd have to wonder if Pietrangelo would actually want to play in Edmonton in the first place.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I don't think we should be comparing any player to those guys until they actually become those guys. For me it's fair to assume that a top-5 pick will be a decent to very very good NHL player, but to assume that a top pick is Malkin or Crosby is what I mean when I say that firsts are way overvalued.

I just used that as an example. I could have said any number of picks that a bad team has got 2 years in a row. Like FakenHaken said would you do Ekblad, and McDavid for Petriangelo? If those two players turn into franchise players is it worth it? I don't think so... But if we could somehow trade Petriangelo for Fata and Kobesew, it would be worth it. The difference is the expectations for the Flames, lots of people (me included) are predicting the Flames to be bad for a few years so we don't think it's wroth it. People who think that the Flames might actually compete for a playoff spot may think it is worth it because Petriangelo might push them into the playoffs and the 2 first round picks will be mid level anyway. So it becomes more a "where do you think they'll be" then "is it worth it" because we don't know where we'll be or what "it" will be

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Not that I'm really advocating it all that much, but where are you getting the other 2 firsts from? Are you equating overpaying to 2 first round picks?

He is saying overpaying to the tune of over $8m per to get him to sign, pushing the compensation up into the 4 first rounders category.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I just used that as an example. I could have said any number of picks that a bad team has got 2 years in a row. Like FakenHaken said would you do Ekblad, and McDavid for Petriangelo? If those two players turn into franchise players is it worth it? I don't think so... But if we could somehow trade Petriangelo for Fata and Kobesew, it would be worth it. The difference is the expectations for the Flames, lots of people (me included) are predicting the Flames to be bad for a few years so we don't think it's wroth it. People who think that the Flames might actually compete for a playoff spot may think it is worth it because Petriangelo might push them into the playoffs and the 2 first round picks will be mid level anyway. So it becomes more a "where do you think they'll be" then "is it worth it" because we don't know where we'll be or what "it" will be

Yes but when you throw out those names you're instantly throwing off the curve of expectations for the 1st rounders you're giving up. I think the Flames will be a bottom dweller, but I don't think they'll be the worst. And I would argue that adding a player like Petro instantly makes your team better (coupled with the continued development of other players) so I think it would be safe to assume your 2nd 1st will be lower than the previous one. For arguments sake, you give up Ekblad and then lets say a Seth Jones type for Petro. A hard pill to swallow to be sure, but I personally would think it's worth it.

As a disclaimer, I don't really follow junior hockey outside of Flames prospects and the WJC, so I don't know a lot about the players up and coming, but you will never convince me that an unknown commodity (no matter what pace he scores against 16-18 year olds at) is a better option than a young, likely Norris trophy candidate dman. And by Norris trophy candidate I mean an actual defensman, not the 4th forwards that seem to be getting all the love the last while.