Sept 10 Apple Event Thread - iPhone 5S, iPhone 5C, iOS7

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Hey look all the people that hated on the iPhone before today don't think the 5s is a good phone. Really thought this would be the one that changed your minds.

Now, go change the font size of your clock and check Twitter through the widget!

I'm all in on mac, but that price point on the 5c is absolutely ludicrous for the market they are trying to capture.

[Zarley]

Good stuff. Might be time to upgrade from my 4 to the 5s.

I'm really looking forward to the IOS update. The current version has become weighed down from a graphic design standpoint with too many textures, gradients, and other useless crap (the fake tape player on the Podcast app for example). Getting Jony Ive to takeover was a great move and I'm already liking the clean lines and simple design of IOS 7.

[Burninator]

In regards to the 5c, isn't it half the price of the 5s on contract, $99 vs $199? Isn't that the market they are going after? Don't contract phones out sell full price phones by a large margin?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Burninator

In regards to the 5c, isn't it half the price of the 5s on contract, $99 vs $199? Isn't that the market they are going after? Don't contract phones out sell full price phones by a large margin?

Growing base of people are buying there phones outright, especially now with phones that have top tier Specs selling for sub $300.

The biggest miss from that perspective is that it is still a full $500 subsidy phone (Parents usually don't like having to spend the $70/month that is necessary for full subsidy) and that they miss the $0 price point that is very important to this group.

For example the $0 iPhone 4 8GB has been driving alot of sales over the last 6 months even though there was a $99 4S option available.

The $0 in-store price point is very attractive for the group Apple was targeting with this device and they missed that.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Burninator

In regards to the 5c, isn't it half the price of the 5s on contract, $99 vs $199? Isn't that the market they are going after? Don't contract phones out sell full price phones by a large margin?

On a contract, $99 to $199 is the standard for all new phones. Quite frankly it's a piece of hardware that you are going to use everyday for years. You should not be allowing a small price difference like that to dictate your decision. SuperMatt makes a great point. If someone is willing to pay $100, they are willing to pay $200 for a better phone. After working in cell phone sales for several years, I concur. There is the $0 market share and the share that is willing to spend something on their phone.

The fact that they've not only gauged their lower end price point base but also forced them to have a phone with gaudy colours that advertise your frugalness is pretty tacky.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Growing base of people are buying there phones outright, especially now with phones that have top tier Specs selling for sub $300.

The biggest miss from that perspective is that it is still a full $500 subsidy phone (Parents usually don't like having to spend the $70/month that is necessary for full subsidy) and that they miss the $0 price point that is very important to this group.

For example the $0 iPhone 4 8GB has been driving alot of sales over the last 6 months even though there was a $99 4S option available.

The $0 in-store price point is very attractive for the group Apple was targeting with this device and they missed that.

They have it covered with the $0 4S, with the 5C and 5S tiered at $99 and $199, that is Apple's strategy. You are right though, time will tell how that pans out.

[Tyler]

I miss the mid-2000's when Apple announcements were all mysterious and everything was leaked months before. So underwhelming now.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

They have it covered with the $0 4S, with the 5C and 5S tiered at $99 and $199, that is Apple's strategy. You are right though, time will tell how that pans out.

The 4S is a two year old phone, which in the world of cell phones is ancient. Anyone who buys a 2 year old phone is asking for a world of hurt in about a year's time. The only reason to buy a 2 year old phone, would be as a temporary replacement for extremely cheap ($200 or less for a smartphone).

[blankall]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Hey look all the people that hated on the iPhone before today don't think the 5s is a good phone. Really thought this would be the one that changed your minds.

Now, go change the font size of your clock and check Twitter through the widget!

The problems are obviously bigger than that:

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/aapl

I can't believe Apple is still gauging people by charging an extra $200 for extra storage space. You can get a 32gb micro SD for under $20.

Edit: I do think the fingerprint system is cool though.

[oilyfan]

Positive first reviews of the 5C

http://gizmodo.com/iphone-5c-meta-ha...gly-1286170981

It's actually a bit surprising how high-end Apple's made the plastic phone feel, though it certainly doesn't hold a candle to the new 5s, which is far more premium and attractive. The 5c is almost like a toy, a rugged, comfortable device that doesn't feel much heavier than the iPhone 5 despite being noticeably larger ...the device feels far better than Samsung's or LG's plastic options. Even the rubbery cases look nice, their open-circle backs fitting in nicely with the color palette.

[ernie]

immediate reaction from the street has Apple shares dropping over 2% today. Down $11.53 on the day at close. It rebounded a bit by days end from the sharp spike down it took during/right after the event. be interesting to see if it rebounds. The next tell tale sign will be the pre-orders on the 13th and then the continuing sales. If they are weak like they were for the last model Apple will need to come up with something big for the next event. Well the executives at Apple will need to come up with something big or they will be dismissed.

[Tyler]

Apple stock drops after every Keynote. It's to be expected.

[photon]

Yeah the bump yesterday with a similar decline today seems like a "meh" from the market. Anything else would be surprising given how we all pretty much knew exactly what was coming.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Hey look all the people that hated on the iPhone before today don't think the 5s is a good phone. Really thought this would be the one that changed your minds.

Now, go change the font size of your clock and check Twitter through the widget!

But isn't that the issue for Apple? Does that mean they've already exhausted their market share? If Apple can't increase their market share into the Android Market, then all they're doing is maintaining their existing user base. Even worse, will their existing user base start to shrink? I don't watch Apple enough to know what their future plans actually are.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Hey look all the people that hated on the iPhone before today don't think the 5s is a good phone. Really thought this would be the one that changed your minds.

Now, go change the font size of your clock and check Twitter through the widget!

haha, you're unbearable. You and Fanin80 with his "lol". I know this sub forum sprung up around the same time as Apple dominance in the cell phone market so a couple of you still aren't used to this place having differing thoughts on Apple but no one is really hating, people are just saying what they think. If you believe these threads should only be pro-Apple then go report the "haters" to the mods or something.

The fact is iOS is boring and it has been for a while now, more and more people are noticing it with it each iPhone product launch. A lot of this is anecdotal so I don't blame you at all if you disregard it but I'm noticing more and more people throwing away Apple and when asked why they just feel it's the same thing even when it's "new". When you see users switch away from iOS the only thing they're really wondering about now is iMessage, similar to Blackberry users switching to Apple years ago and really only worrying about Blackberry Messenger.

It's not going to happen overnight, didn't happen to Blackberry overnight either and you will always have your diehards but Apple is just becoming boring in the smart phone market, today's announcement certainly seems to be status quo with that. A fresh new take on icons isn't really fooling anyone.

Brand loyalty is hilarious to me. You'll bring up Android to reply to me but I'll have zero hesitation dropping it if something better and innovative comes along. I did it with Blackberry and I did it with iOS.

Brand loyalty sheep are just unbearable, they can't be reasoned with. Like the time HotHotHeat claimed it was totally unnecessary for the then iPhone 3gs to have a redesign. Of course when the iPhone 4 was released he posted and article and agreed with it saying the old model was looking a bit dated and needed to be updated. You can't reason with guys like that, they're sheep.

Overhauling iOS would be suicide? Until they do it, then you'll agree it needed to be done right?

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

haha, you're unbearable. You and Fanin80 with his "lol". I know this sub forum sprung up around the same time as Apple dominance in the cell phone market so a couple of you still aren't used to this place having differing thoughts on Apple but no one is really hating, people are just saying what they think. If you believe these threads should only be pro-Apple then go report the "haters" to the mods or something.

The fact is iOS is boring and it has been for a while now, more and more people are noticing it with it each iPhone product launch. A lot of this is anecdotal so I don't blame you at all if you disregard it but I'm noticing more and more people throwing away Apple and when asked why they just feel it's the same thing even when it's "new". When you see users switch away from iOS the only thing they're really wondering about now is iMessage, similar to Blackberry users switching to Apple years ago and really only worrying about Blackberry Messenger.

It's not going to happen overnight, didn't happen to Blackberry overnight either and you will always have your diehards but Apple is just becoming boring in the smart phone market, today's announcement certainly seems to be status quo with that. A fresh new take on icons isn't really fooling anyone.

Brand loyalty is hilarious to me. You'll bring up Android to reply to me but I'll have zero hesitation dropping it if something better and innovative comes along. I did it with Blackberry and I did it with iOS.

Brand loyalty sheep are just unbearable, they can't be reasoned with. Like the time HotHotHeat claimed it was totally unnecessary for the then iPhone 3gs to have a redesign. Of course when the iPhone 4 was released he posted and article and agreed with it saying the old model was looking a bit dated and needed to be updated. You can't reason with guys like that, they're sheep.

Overhauling iOS would be suicide? Until they do it, then you'll agree it needed to be done right?

Kapow! like us and the Flames?... hehe

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Kapow! like us and the Flames?... hehe

No, brand loyalty in consumerism and having a favourite sports team are two totally different things. I guess it's possible you might see a similarity, if you're an idiot.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

No, brand loyalty in consumerism and having a favourite sports team are two totally different things. I guess it's possible you might see a similarity, if you're an idiot.

Ok that really made me laugh.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Hey look all the people that hated on the iPhone before today don't think the 5s is a good phone. Really thought this would be the one that changed your minds.

Now, go change the font size of your clock and check Twitter through the widget!

As a happy Nexus 4 owner... Well spoken.

And I don't disagree with MMF either; brand loyalty is stupid. If Sony or Microsoft make a better game station, buy that one. Don't stick with either because 'I'm a microsoft guy' or whatever. I had a friend growing up who would only watch scripted TV on FOX. Why? No goddamn idea. I just know it was a stupid waste of time.

iOS is a great product. Android is a great product. They're phones. I imagine every three or four years, most people will change platforms if the general consensus about them seems to be positive. This goes both ways; some people may get tired of Android and want a more rigid experience like the iPhone where you plug it in and everything just syncs. Some people might want a bigger screen or the HTC One's speakers. Personally, until Apple comes out with their own version of Swype typing, I don't see how I can abandon the Nexus now. Even then, it'll be tough to justify an extra 300-500 bucks to buy an unlocked iPhone vs whatever Nexus happens to be out. #### contracts.

[KTrain]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

No, brand loyalty in consumerism and having a favourite sports team are two totally different things. I guess it's possible you might see a similarity, if you're an idiot.

Sports fans have idealized ideas of what they are but they are loyal to a brand. The Flames and NHL are businesses based on consumerism. Their fans are their customers. Both are brands whether you like it or not.

They're called different things because they're a sport but we're still cheering for the employees of a company, competing against the employees of other companies. Those companies can put out substandard products but we keep coming back.

There's nothing wrong with being loyal to a brand, whether it's a sports team, a type of car, electronics, a business, a celebrity, or anything else that you enjoy. If it makes a person happy and doesn't hurt anyone else, you're an a$$hole for trying put someone down because they enjoy a particular thing.

Whether you agree or not, Apple is still delivering on the promise they've given to people that enjoy their products. They just work. Sure there's going to be hiccups along the way but this release, as with their previous ones, allows all their devices to work together in one way or another.

Apple is in the business of making money and few companies do it better. But they also create really cool products that are typically better made than their competition. Some Android phones look great. Samsung is doing great stuff with their phones (I'm loyal to them for TVs). But you can't deny that the vast majority of Android phones are garbage.