Hitting human targets hiding behind big metal things down range is probably really difficult in real life. Add to that all the movement and adrenaline and it's probably even worse.
I shot handguns at rotten fruit one time in a gravel pit and I was shocked to learn I couldn't run laterally and empty the entire clip into a watermelon.
I dunno, I appreciate that hitting a target isn't as easy as people think. However, completely missing from 20 yards with an assault rifle at a target in the open with time to aim seems really cartoony.
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Have to admit that if the final episodes come down to Walt vs Todd's uncle I'll be disappointed.
I think the finale should be the resolution of the two main storylines that (IMO) have flowed throughout the whole series: Heisenberg vs Hank, and Walt's moral fall vs. Jessie's moral rise.
Throwing in a new big bad for Walt to fight at the end smacks of Lost's decision to make its finale revolve around Jacob vs the Man in Black, a storyline introduced fairly late, rather than the mythology that was the focus of the show from the beginning.
Hitting human targets hiding behind big metal things down range is probably really difficult in real life. Add to that all the movement and adrenaline and it's probably even worse.
That all makes sense, but for the fact (as someone mentioned above) these same guys (likely using the exact same guns) just gunned down what had to be at least 7 or 8 guys in a similar situation a couple of days before. Not only that, they were able to kill off the entire drug crew in about 10 seconds and didn't sustain a single injury or fatality to their group while doing so. And if I remember correctly, when Lydia was lead past the dead bodies most of them appeared to have sustained multiple gunshot wounds.
To think that a group of guys (who are obviously very experienced with firearms to begin with) could be almost perfect in one situation, probably hitting with 20-30 bullets total and then a few days later, in a similar situation, against two guys who weren't even behind cover for the first couple of seconds of the altercation, not even hit a single shot..? I don't know, that doesn't add up to me.
Shootout aside though, I thought it was a pretty decent episode, hopefully Hank dies early next episode as I really can't see any other good way to move the show onwards from that scene.
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Also, I'm not in law enforcement, but to me it seemed very odd that neither Hank nor Gomez showed their badges when asked..? Isn't that something you kind of have to do as a cop in that type of situation? It's not like they had uniforms on, or were driving a marked car; if I were Todd's uncle I wouldn't have had any reason to think they were police. Did Hank and Gomie just expect a group of armed thugs to take their word that they were indeed cops?
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What bothered me most about the final scene is that Walt should have been riddled with bullets. Todd's gang is pumping round after round into Hank's SUV and Walt will walk away unscathed simply by ducking.
Also, I'm not in law enforcement, but to me it seemed very odd that neither Hank nor Gomez showed their badges when asked..? Isn't that something you kind of have to do as a cop in that type of situation? It's not like they had uniforms on, or were driving a marked car; if I were Todd's uncle I wouldn't have had any reason to think they were police. Did Hank and Gomie just expect a group of armed thugs to take their word that they were indeed cops?
I took that as a ploy to get them to drop their guns momentarily.
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I took that as a ploy to get them to drop their guns momentarily.
Well didn't one of the two (Hank or Gomie) have a handgun? I can't recall right now but I thought one had a handgun and the other a shotgun and if so, the guy with the handgun simply had to put his free hand in his pocket and flash his badge all while keeping his gun pointed with his other hand.
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Probably not the most popular opinion here but I hope that ingrate Jesse gets what's coming to him. Walt had a point that if it wasn't for him, Jesse would've been dead by now.
Hank should get his too. He can't let things go and he should go down with his obsession over Eisenberg.
Gomi, well, sucks to be him. Maybe in his next life, he'll pick better friends.
I hope they all die, right after Todd bones Lydia
You're not the only one, I'm hoping Jesse bites it here. I don't mind Hank so much but can't see how is can possibly survive this.
Jessie is going to somehow stop the shootout. I guarantee it. He was getting out of the car.
I also agree it would be really lame if this is how the Walt v. Hank build up ends. It would be a huge disappointment to have the Todd's guys who were just introduced this season be the main "villains" which the finale revolves around.
If anything, to make it more believable the bad guy that started shooting should've killed Gomie and then Hank leaps out of the way behind the SUV. That would've been believable, Gomie should've been cannon fodder in that scene. Then Hank should've killed at least one red shirted bad guy.
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I dunno. I don't think the shootout is that implausible. Hank and Gomez are highly trained, Todd's uncles' crew is, possibly less well trained and at quite a distance away. I am not sure how far the bullets would penetrate through a vehicle at the distance they're at. Through the windows, sure, but the doors? It is Hank's vehicle, not sure if that is stock or has any fancy DEA upgrades. He was probably pretty paranoid after experiencing a bombing down in El Paso, and then getting shot by the brothers. Of course that's just conjecture.
Also, Todd's uncles crew wiping out Declan's crew, who weren't prepared for that at all, wouldn't be much than shooting fish in a barrel..
Let's stop making up disappointing end fantasies and just reflect. Has Breaking Bad ever NOT delivered?
Show some respect for Vince and just sit back, b####.
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Hank will die, and it won't kill the remaining story at all. Pretty obvious with the call to Marie. It would kill the insane build up entirely if some stalemate and subsequently a deal was made. No way at this point.
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After the gunfight Walt will be pissed as hell at the outcome, and I think Jesse will get away in the car as well (not sure if he has the keys, did walt leave them in the car?). As we know, family is a no zone for Walt, also they went against his orders. Jesse will try to flee (for good) as he knows he's a dead man. Walt will refuse to cook for them because of the events, but they'll insist. They've been good to Walt before now, but they're too money hungry at this point to put up with his refusal, so they'll in turn force him to cooperate in ways that will really hurt him. There was a mention of a "bad" moment involving a child upcoming (Holly) so this coercion by the meth group I think will involve Walt's family. He'll get away, though, obviously (fate of the family unknown at this point), but with Marie finding out about Hank she'll spill everything and tell the police about Walt being with him, which will implicate him. Walt knows this so he knows he has to get out. He'll call up Saul's guy and bolt. After, I think the group will hunt down and find Jesse after Todd suggests that he cooked with Walt long before and he can help them. They'll then keep him as their lab slave. Walt, with all the casualties he'll likely have faced by then, will plot his revenge in his time under his new identity and make his return. Takes ricin knowing he can't get out of this mess even if he survives. Ties up the gap just about perfectly. But who knows, I'm just trying to connect the dots here.
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I wasn't too bothered by the shootout like others... but did anybody else think that Huel (sp?) would at least be smart enough to listen to Hank's "recorded phone message" when he offered?
I wasn't too bothered by the shootout like others... but did anybody else think that Huel (sp?) would at least be smart enough to listen to Hank's "recorded phone message" when he offered?
I had just assumed the Biker gang was an off-shoot of a Woodbury Georgia biker gang.
Uhh.. except I wasn't trying to come up with a sour ending, if that's remotely close to what happens, I think it'll be solid.
I distinctly said that if Hanks dies, I think it "won't" kill the remaining story. And then went on to make an objective guess at what will happen between now and the flash forward time frame. Now that I've done that, I'm content to sit back and let Vince blindside us and put my prediction to shame. Because looking at past episodes, I've rarely come close.
