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[JiriHrdina]

Holy crap the more people try to justify the law the more f'd up it sounds.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Yes, it is not true.

You DO know that shortly after the law was announced, a group of homosexual couples staged a "kiss-in" where they gathered in a public area and kissed their same-sex partners. No signs, no talking to others, just kissing.

What happened?
They were all arrested.

I get your defence of the semantics, but the fact is that this law has and will be used on people for publicly displaying same-sex affection. Sorry man, you're out to lunch here.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Pointman

It's not about telling gay child that he's wrong to be who they are. It's about preventing gay people from swaying children into their gay activities.

You're going to have to elaborate on this, give a more concrete example.

Obviously actual sex (gay or otherwise) with children would be covered by an age of consent law so isn't the issue...

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

This whole idea of "we shouldn't condemn them without trying to understand why they think this way" seems foolish.

There is no possible explanation for hating people who have done no wrong. None. Zero. So suggesting that I should not condemn their society until understanding why they feel the way they feel is garbage. There is absolutely no possible justification for harassing, abusing, condemning and persecuting innocent people whose only crime is wanting to love somebody. And any society that would even TRY to justify it should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

I disagree with this on a fundamental basis. I think a major cause of hate and persecution throughout the history of mankind is that people are too quick to condemn without trying to understand why. There can be at times a fine line between disapproval and hate and there are difference in opinions between different people and societies on what proper punishment should be.

In Canada we had a law against the spread of hate speech but that has been repealed. What does that say about us? And under the old law you can hand out flyers quoting bible passages saying that a homosexual act is a detestable sin but you can't put you got to be careful if you hand out your own interpretations. What about White Supremacist groups? One can argue that there are White Supremacist groups that doesn't encourage hate, they just encourage people to love Whites only and argue that Whites are the supreme race. These groups would argue that they are spreading love.

A lot of people are caught up in the jail punishment. But different countries are known to punish people differently. In some countries abortion is legal. In others it's considered murder punishable by death. In Singapore you can receive the death penalty for having 500 grams or more of marijuana, whereas here in North America there are more and more places where marijuana is being legalized.

To condemn something and someone without at least trying to understand is dangerous.

[photon]

Originally Posted by strombad

You DO know that shortly after the law was announced, a group of homosexual couples staged a "kiss-in" where they gathered in a public area and kissed their same-sex partners. No signs, no talking to others, just kissing.

What happened?
They were all arrested.

Do you have a link?

If you do, I'd like to see Pointman's response.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

people like you are no better. I mean really people like you need to stop assuming that people who don't condemn a law are therefor supporting it.

BS, you don't need to go out protesting, but passive support is still support.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by valo403

BS, you don't need to go out protesting, but passive support is still support.

No it is not. There is a grey area. Some people need more information (like myself), some are indifferent. That is not the same as support.

[theTrumanShow]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

In an ideal world, yes, but "we" aren't the ones making the issue public, the Russians are.

They are just doing what they want in their own country, just like we do here. It is not like it is a witch hunt for these people. This story is totally overblown to further promote the gay agenda, much like the Zimmerman/Trayvon case was done to promote racial tension.

Like honestly who cares about what they do in Russia. Let's worry about problems in our own borders first. We got enough here.

Let's just count down the days to a new season already, and Olympic hockey!

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

No it is not. There is a grey area. Some people need more information (like myself), some are indifferent. That is not the same as support.

What more information do you need? This isn't quantum physics, it's pretty clear what is happening and it's pretty clear that it is wrong.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by valo403

What more information do you need? This isn't quantum physics, it's pretty clear what is happening and it's pretty clear that it is wrong.

I for one do not believe everything the North American media says about foreign places, I would want some more legitimate unbiased sources.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I for one do not believe everything the North American media says about foreign places, I would want some more legitimate unbiased sources.

So you needed 5 minutes on google? I get wanting to hear more information initially, but this is hardly breaking news at this point. Certainly more information can shape the degree of a response, but I fail to see how anyone can look at the information currently available and still be on the fence about it.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by theTrumanShow

This story is totally overblown to further promote the gay agenda, much like the Zimmerman/Trayvon case was done to promote racial tension.

What 'agenda'???

Like, being allowed to be like heterosexual couples? How dare they.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by theTrumanShow

They are just doing what they want in their own country, just like we do here. It is not like it is a witch hunt for these people. This story is totally overblown to further promote the gay agenda, much like the Zimmerman/Trayvon case was done to promote racial tension.

Like honestly who cares about what they do in Russia. Let's worry about problems in our own borders first. We got enough here.

Let's just count down the days to a new season already, and Olympic hockey!

And with that bigoted and ignorant line, I would like to welcome you to my ignore list.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by photon

Would you support this law being used to prosecute propaganda that promoted mixed-race sexual relationships? If not, why is it different?

No. Because mixed-race couples can born children.

Originally Posted by photon

It's a law to ensure that the bigotry of the adults is safely passed down to the children without being challenged.

There's no anti-gay bigotry in Russia. There's no mob demolishing those gay clubs in Moscow.

Originally Posted by photon

So the intent of the law is to make sure that anyone that supports equality for humans can't communicate their message and combat any disinformation that the "teh gay is bad and scary" crowd spreads. That's somehow ok?

You missed "under 18" part. If you are gay, you can not communicate that being gay is good to CHILDREN. You are free to communicate it to adults. I still can't get why you all keep bringing human rights and equality. Gays have equal rights in Russia. They can have work, be treated in hospitals and all. To say that their rights are oppressed because they can not communicate it to children is like saying that drinkers rights are oppressed because they can not teach U18 kids how to drink (I heard, you have "underage drinking" law in Canada)?

Originally Posted by photon

You can be gay, you just can't tell any children that it's ok and they don't need to commit suicide because they're gay. Awesome.

Don't worry, kids parents will tell him that it's ok. They don't need a stranger on the street or a star on TV to show fledgling minds an awesomeness of being gay.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I honestly can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading in here from people supporting this law.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by strombad

You DO know that shortly after the law was announced, a group of homosexual couples staged a "kiss-in" where they gathered in a public area and kissed their same-sex partners. No signs, no talking to others, just kissing.

What happened?
They were all arrested.

The only case I know was about 20 LGBT guys publicly kissing in front of Russian government. They were charged for an unapproved political manifistation (EDITED: later I found their own blog, who says that they were charged with "minor public disorder" — regardless they were NOT charged with gay propaganda), and they were fined and released. They didn't get any jail time.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Pointman

There's no anti-gay bigotry in Russia. There's no mob demolishing those gay clubs in Moscow.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Holy crap the more people try to justify the law the more f'd up it sounds.

Maybe you should fly over and live here for some time? Have you tried to understand some african tribes laws? Or some ancient civilizations laws? It's a different country and different culture and the law is supposed to tackle issues that you may not understand (which I have no problem with, I assume I don't understand a lot of the issues canadians are facing either). Again, basically WHOLE NATION supports it and there's a reason for it. A reason that seems pretty hard to understand if you live on the other side of the globe in the entirely different culture.

[theTrumanShow]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

And with that bigoted and ignorant line, I would like to welcome you to my ignore list.

So having differing opinion is being a biggot? Are we in Russia?? No opinions aloud apparently.

Block me, its your right, just like mine, communist.

[theTrumanShow]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I honestly can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading in here from people supporting this law.

If you are referring to any of my comments. I would like to clarify, that I don't care. What happens in Russia is their problem, not mine.