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zuluking · 08-15-2013, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jar_e

So I watch a flames game on TV, the flames win 3-2 and I don't ask any questions....is that really worrisome?

Its the same thing. I'm seeing facts being presented by people who know way more about a case than I do. I accept it at face value and honestly, I have no personal connection to this story, so I couldn't care less about asking questions or trying to be some super sleuth figuring out some conspiracy.

Sometimes you just need to take things for face value cause there's nothing else to take.

Well, then, if you watched the snake asphyxiate the boys, then you don't have to ask any questions either. Good grief!

You don't seem to understand the definition of "facts", because there is no "fact" that says the snake killed the boys. "Face value" is that the snake may have or most likely killed these kids, but the investigation continues. Until then, it is totally relevant to take into account behaviours of snakes in order to better understand what could have possibly happened.

Would you really be satisfied if the investigation was basically: "they've been strangled. there's a snake. case closed"?

killer_carlson · 08-22-2013, 07:42 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-br...ton-blood.html

This story gets more odd.

T@T · 08-22-2013, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-br...ton-blood.html

This story gets more odd.

Sounds more like journalistic sensationalism to me, why even bring up blood on his hands when it wasn't the kids blood?

Cuz · 08-23-2013, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by T@T

Sounds more like journalistic sensationalism to me, why even bring up blood on his hands when it wasn't the kids blood?

I don't think the story states whose blood it was.....

T@T · 08-23-2013, 12:17 AM

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I don't think the story states whose blood it was.....

Fairly sure it wasn't any of the two young victims ...no?

Daradon · 08-23-2013, 02:27 AM

Saw on the CBC ticker today that cops said they found the snake in an 'enraged' state.

Like I said previously, it is definitely a weird situation, but we know so little of the actual situation, especially how the scene was found.

It could be a million to one chance, but those happen. It could very well be the snake. If there hasn't been any meaningful follow-up or investigation here, there is probably a very good reason. It was the snake.

valo403 · 08-23-2013, 08:31 AM

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Fairly sure it wasn't any of the two young victims ...no?

Fairly sure based on what? This whole case seems full of bizarre things, I wouldn't rule out anything at this point.

dissentowner · 08-23-2013, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Daradon

Saw on the CBC ticker today that cops said they found the snake in an 'enraged' state.

Like I said previously, it is definitely a weird situation, but we know so little of the actual situation, especially how the scene was found.

It could be a million to one chance, but those happen. It could very well be the snake. If there hasn't been any meaningful follow-up or investigation here, there is probably a very good reason. It was the snake.

There is a follow up investigation and if the police found the snake in an agitated snake that actually lends more credibility that it was not the snake that killed the boys. Snakes when agitated and angry are not looking for food sources, they are defensive and will strike repeatedly or retreat or both. There is always a lengthy investigation in a case like this, the police don't just draw an automatic conclusion and it is case closed.

Boblobla · 08-23-2013, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

There is a follow up investigation and if the police found the snake in an agitated snake that actually lends more credibility that it was not the snake that killed the boys. Snakes when agitated and angry are not looking for food sources, they are defensive and will strike repeatedly or retreat or both. There is always a lengthy investigation in a case like this, the police don't just draw an automatic conclusion and it is case closed.

I appreciate that you like to staunchly defend animals but an autopsy has been completed as far as I know as the boys have been buried. I am fairly certain that suffocation by snake and suffocation by relative would be pretty easy to differentiate. Do you need to see autopsy photos with crushed rib cages before you believe?

pylon · 08-23-2013, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

There is a follow up investigation and if the police found the snake in an agitated snake that actually lends more credibility that it was not the snake that killed the boys. Snakes when agitated and angry are not looking for food sources, they are defensive and will strike repeatedly or retreat or both. There is always a lengthy investigation in a case like this, the police don't just draw an automatic conclusion and it is case closed.

You have mentioned before that you are in law enforcement. That scares me, as you seem to value the life of a barely sentient snake, over that of a person. That, and how you seem to jump to quite incredibly final conclusions on things without seeing a shred of evidence. Well that, and the Juggalo avatar.

What exactly do you do in 'law enforcement?'

dissentowner · 08-23-2013, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Boblobla

I appreciate that you like to staunchly defend animals but an autopsy has been completed as far as I know as the boys have been buried. I am fairly certain that suffocation by snake and suffocation by relative would be pretty easy to differentiate. Do you need to see autopsy photos with crushed rib cages before you believe?

So you are saying because the boys have been buried the investigation is over? First of all we have no idea what the police know. They could still be gathering evidence. Investigations like this tend to be very lengthy. How do you know how easily it can be to tell the difference on the cause of death? Are you a medical examiner or a coroner? I am not confident I can personally say it would not be possible to suffocate a person and make it look like a snake did it. You are saying the case is closed but I have seen nothing to indicate that is the case. Too many things don't add up, it has nothing to do with defending animals.

longsuffering · 08-23-2013, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by pylon

You have mentioned before that you are in law enforcement. That scares me, as you seem to value the life of a barely sentient snake, over that of a person. That, and how you seem to jump to quite incredibly final conclusions on things without seeing a shred of evidence. Well that, and the Juggalo avatar.

What exactly do you do in 'law enforcement?'

Mall cop would be my guess

dissentowner · 08-23-2013, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pylon

You have mentioned before that you are in law enforcement. That scares me, as you seem to value the life of a barely sentient snake, over that of a person. That, and how you seem to jump to quite incredibly final conclusions on things without seeing a shred of evidence. Well that, and the Juggalo avatar.

What exactly do you do in 'law enforcement?'

Whoa, where did I say I value the life of an animal over a person? Because I question the circumstances we know? How do you jump to a conclusion that I value the snakes life over those children when I have stated the real tragedy here is two children are dead?

In no way do I value an animals life over a person's, that is ridiculous! This story has a bunch of holes in it and it bothers me but even I have stated that if it was the snake somehow that it would be really rare but that the only tragedy here is two dead children. I like snakes but if the snake was the cause I am glad it was destroyed. Nobody should keep Rock Pythons anyhow, pretty sure I already said that. My avatar is my favorite singer, King Diamond. It is just an artist. Yes, I work in law enforcement and I don't think you should judge me as a person based on a message board and a discussion about a weird case.

dissentowner · 08-23-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by longsuffering

Mall cop would be my guess

Nope. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Anybody working security is doing a service and working, what is wrong with that?

SportsJunky · 08-23-2013, 10:15 AM

Mall cops love exotic pets. It's science.

pylon · 08-23-2013, 10:47 AM

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Nope. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Anybody working security is doing a service and working, what is wrong with that?

So what do you do in law enforcement?

dissentowner · 08-23-2013, 10:49 AM

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So what do you do in law enforcement?

I am a crossing guard.

Does it really matter? Ok, I am a baker at Tim Horton's but I really love researching law.

Bill Bumface · 08-23-2013, 01:23 PM

Dissentowner:

"Out of my cold, dead hands!"

killer_carlson · 08-23-2013, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pylon

You have mentioned before that you are in law enforcement. That scares me, as you seem to value the life of a barely sentient snake, over that of a person. That, and how you seem to jump to quite incredibly final conclusions on things without seeing a shred of evidence. Well that, and the Juggalo avatar.

What exactly do you do in 'law enforcement?'

You are out of line.

Dissentowner never said the animal was more important than the kids' lives.

Quite frankly i think it shows a measure of respect to these kids to want to see answers in this case which is so odd. Wanting justice for these kids and a full investigation is entirely appropriate.

dissentowner · 08-26-2013, 08:26 PM

Interesting article from Macleans.
http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/08/07/p...swick-tragedy/