Would you support Rainbow on Hockey Unis for Sochi?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

If you ever get a reply from your god from all that hoping let us know

"I hope to god" is a figure of speech. I didn't use it literally, sir.

[korzym12]

Originally Posted by strombad

"Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

"Criminals who terrorize our cities – in riots and on every non-riot day – are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are."

"Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions."

"Immigrants can spread diseases for which we may have no immunity. There is also the question of crime and culture. Many immigrants come from countries with different legal structures and are not willing to behave in the way we expect American citizens to behave."

"What else do we need to know about the political establishment than that it refuses to discuss the crimes that terrify Americans on grounds that doing so is racist? Why isn’t that true of complex embezzling, which is 100 percent white and Asian?"

"What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved [MLK Day]! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day."

"White people found themselves walking alone many blocks to get home, running the minefield of black gangs out for their blood."

"Jury verdicts, basketball games, and even music are enough to set off black rage, it seems."

"Middle-class blacks & black political activists hold opinions not markedly different from the Crips and the Bloods."

"What if the checks had never arrived? No doubt the blacks would have fully privatized the welfare state through continued looting."

- Ron Paul


I guess you're wrong again, he's definitely a racist. Need I go on? You seem to get proven wrong a lot. A nazi sympathiser and a defender of racists, must be AWESOME being you.

It's proven that the greatest racists are those that make a big deal out of it. Race had no part of this conversation until you brought it up. I can only imagine that you bring this up to victimize yourself and demonize me - just because I disagree with you on this issue. Maybe you have something against white people and want to dwell on very specific sentences taken out of their whole context.

The fact is many of you don't understand that in Russia, it's highly taboo to say you're gay. That's just the way it is. Trying to impose your opinion on them is also laughable knowing how protectionist they are, they're not even past racism, so getting them to accept gays is irrational. There's still a mentality in Russia to prove they can do things better than us.

[moon]

Originally Posted by strombad

I guess you're wrong again, he's definitely a racist. Need I go on? You seem to get proven wrong a lot. A nazi sympathiser and a defender of racists, must be AWESOME being you.

If you want to prove he is a racist then you probably should go on and show some racist comments he has made.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by korzym12

It's proven that the greatest racists are those that make a big deal out of it.

Proven by who? You can't just make crap up.

The fact is many of you don't understand that in Russia, it's highly taboo to say you're gay. That's just the way it is. Trying to impose your opinion on them is also laughable knowing how protectionist they are, they're not even past racism, so getting them to accept gays is irrational. There's still a mentality in Russia to prove they can do things better than us.

Well then they better try harder because they aren't any better at hating gays as you are.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by korzym12

[SIZE=3]“Rights mean you have a right to your life. You have a right to your liberty, and you should have a right to keep the fruits of your labor....I, in a way, don’t like to use those terms: gay rights, women’s rights, minority rights, religious rights. There’s only one type of right. It’s the right to your liberty.”



Come on you made that way too easy for me.

So you applaud Russia for persecuting those who love someone (that happens to share the same plumbing)...and say the only right someone has...is to liberty



Pick a lane dude

[strombad]

Originally Posted by korzym12

It's proven that the greatest racists are those that make a big deal out of it. Race had no part of this conversation until you brought it up. I can only imagine that you bring this up to victimize yourself and demonize me - just because I disagree with you on this issue. Maybe you have something against white people and want to dwell on very specific sentences taken out of their whole context.

Racism, like homophobia, revolves around discriminating against someone of a certain unchangeable characteristic. Therefore, quoting Ron Paul to prove your point to people who are accusing you of supporting discrimination does NOTHING for your point. That's why it was brought up. As for playing the victim, you've very clearly taken to doing it yourself. Try not to be a raging hypocrite, it hurts your point.

Originally Posted by moon

If you want to prove he is a racist then you probably should go on and show some racist comments he has made.

You're either sarcastic or daft. Sarcasm doesn't work so well on the Internet brother, so try not to come off as completely daft.

[jayswin]

Okay guys, so what did we learn over the past few days in this thread? That we need to keep gay rights issues in the off topic forum, apparantly, because it got pretty ugly out here in the hockey forum.

There's honestly a bit of a different crowd that hangs out in the FOI forum that apparently doesn't visit the off topic forum, and I'm not just talking about that one dude, either.

Anyone else notice there's a bit of a different tone out here? Not very accepting or supportive of gay rights. And just to nip it in the bud, no I'm not talking about those who simply disagreed with having a patch or whatever, I'm talking about the tone of the discussion. It's definitely different out here.

[Bunk]

Korzym was a long time troll on skyscraperpage as well.

Anyway, maybe Canada should announce just prior or during the games that Canada will offer asylum for gay Russians being persecuted by these draconian laws.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Korzym was a long time troll on skyscraperpage as well.

... which makes it all the sadder that some posters here are actually agreeing with him.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Okay guys, so what did we learn over the past few days in this thread? That we need to keep gay rights issues in the off topic forum, apparantly, because it got pretty ugly out here in the hockey forum.

There's honestly a bit of a different crowd that hangs out in the FOI forum that apparently doesn't visit the off topic forum, and I'm not just talking about that one dude, either.

Anyone else notice there's a bit of a different tone out here? Not very accepting or supportive of gay rights. And just to nip it in the bud, no I'm not talking about those who simply disagreed with having a patch or whatever, I'm talking about the tone of the discussion. It's definitely different out here.

Yeah, this is weird. It's like a timewarp back to some threads from the mid-2000's.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Yeah, this is weird. It's like a timewarp back to some threads from the mid-2000's.

Perhaps the opportunity to voice their generally disdained values and opinions under the guise of "its not our place to tell other people what to do" proved too tempting to resist. Those types of opportunities don't come along very often anymore.

[foshizzle11]

I don't think the Olympics should be used for this sort of thing. I would rather see other political/financial moves likes embargos and such put on Russian exports. Athletes shouldn't be used for political battles.

Not so long ago Western countries were going through a similar thing, it will pass I believe because they will receive a lot of backlash from all this. It will be fast tracked because of the press and social media is much more advanced than before.

I don't agree with it and I think it is a bunch of crap. Human rights should be an essential need that everyone is entitled to. But I don't think that we can intervene with their internal laws.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

I don't think the Olympics should be used for this sort of thing. I would rather see other political/financial moves likes embargos and such put on Russian exports. Athletes shouldn't be used for political battles.

Not so long ago Western countries were going through a similar thing, it will pass I believe because they will receive a lot of backlash from all this. It will be fast tracked because of the press and social media is much more advanced than before.

I don't agree with it and I think it is a bunch of crap. Human rights should be an essential need that everyone is entitled to. But I don't think that we can intervene with their internal laws.

Well, to be fair, who said anything about intervening in their internal laws? What about just taking a stand as a country? Canada's one of the top countries in the world in terms of LGBT rights, and personally I'd love to see us flaunt it a bit.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by korzym12

You think you have the right to question me? LOL WEAK westerner.

Yes, what was I thinking asking you to justify your completely illogical, hateful position.

Guess I should have known someone as ignorant and bigoted wouldn't be able to understand the very basic concept of being able to logically explain their stance on an issue.

[TheDebaser]

lol of course it's ####ing moon

[ben voyonsdonc]

Of course, I think it would be wonderful to have a visible display of solidarity with LGBT Russians who are facing immense discrimination in their own country. I actually would prefer it to be optional as opposed to mandatory. Why? Because I think it is more meaningful if an athlete actually decides to take a stand of their own volition. It doesn't need to be a rainbow flag on their jersey ...it can be as simple as colourful tape on their hockey gloves, stick or skates.

[moon]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

lol of course it's ####ing moon

What are you talking about?

[Badgers Nose]

The international lowest common denominator for enacting change in places that do not respect human rights, whether its women or gays or oppression of any group, is constant and consistent public pressure. It's literally the least you can do.

What Russia is doing is wrong. The world should use every opportunity to express that, and it will be a sad day when 'brave and courageous' hockey players choose cashing out for gatorade and nike olympic ads over human rights. They don't need more money, and obviously a lobby of millionaires could get some attention.

If they start saying, 'I am here for sport and don't want to talk about this issue.' I will be disappointed. I'd be a lot more tolerant of them saying "I am just a dumb hockey player and I am afraid of being arrested.' At least that I could understand.

[Żoso]

Originally Posted by moon

What are you talking about?

Maybe he meant Keith ####ing Moon.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I didn't ask you if you think it right or wrong. I am asking you if you believe a man who commits an honour killing should be convicted of murder. To be more specific, the father and brother who drowned four women from their family in the canal in Kingston were convicted of murder. Given they, culturally, felt that killing these women was justified, do you think the conviction was incorrect?

Actually you are asking me if I think it is right or wrong.