Racist dog owner Sage Meadows Calgary

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by flameswin

I was claiming that older white guys (and yes I understand the generalization and addressed it) seem to be a little bigoted/racist/intolerant, and the younger people of today tend to be more socially liberal and in favour of gender/racial equality.

It's a reasonable argument, one I don't know if I would necessarily disagree with as I've spent a lot of time in smaller farm towns in Alberta. However, statistically there's a bigger case to make that it's the youth that are discriminating against one another.


Here's a bunch of Hate-Crime statistics for Canada in 2011:
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-.../11822-eng.htm

"Police-reported hate crime incidents are more likely to involve youth than crimes overall. Among hate-motivated mischief incidents, for example, youth between the age of 12 and 17 comprised 42% of accused compared to 21% for all mischief incidents. Among common assault offences that were hate motivated, youth represented 29% of accused, compared to 15% of accused in all crimes involving common assault."

Tends to suggest that it's youth that are more likely to commit a crime based on someone's ethnicity, sexual orientation or religion than their elder counterparts.

Of course you got to look at all the data and use some common sense in trying to put it together. An 80 year old racist cracker isn't going out clubbing on a Friday night and 'forced' to interact with minorities in the bar like his 20 year old racist counterpart. So even if they have the same racist tendencies the 20 year old is more likely to be in a situation where he will act on it but the numbers themselves do not point to our youth as being more accepting.

Here's a better breakdown of the chart:
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-.../tbl07-eng.htm

Most telling is that for hate-crimes based on sexual orientation the accused are 70% likely to be under 25. Which does not seem to suggest youths are more socially liberal when it comes to sexual orientation.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

It's a reasonable argument, one I don't know if I would necessarily disagree with as I've spent a lot of time in smaller farm towns in Alberta. However, statistically there's a bigger case to make that it's the youth that are discriminating against one another.


Here's a bunch of Hate-Crime statistics for Canada in 2011:
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-.../11822-eng.htm

"Police-reported hate crime incidents are more likely to involve youth than crimes overall. Among hate-motivated mischief incidents, for example, youth between the age of 12 and 17 comprised 42% of accused compared to 21% for all mischief incidents. Among common assault offences that were hate motivated, youth represented 29% of accused, compared to 15% of accused in all crimes involving common assault."

Tends to suggest that it's youth that are more likely to commit a crime based on someone's ethnicity, sexual orientation or religion than their elder counterparts.

Of course you got to look at all the data and use some common sense in trying to put it together. An 80 year old racist cracker isn't going out clubbing on a Friday night and 'forced' to interact with minorities in the bar like his 20 year old racist counterpart. So even if they have the same racist tendencies the 20 year old is more likely to be in a situation where he will act on it but the numbers themselves do not point to our youth as being more accepting.

Here's a better breakdown of the chart:
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-.../tbl07-eng.htm

Most telling is that for hate-crimes based on sexual orientation the accused are 70% likely to be under 25. Which does not seem to suggest youths are more socially liberal when it comes to sexual orientation.

Yeah, I was going to say, that data could just have easily been called "young people commit way more crimes than old people", lol.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Yeah, I was going to say, that data could just have easily been called "young people commit way more crimes than old people", lol.

Except that doesn't explain why youths are over-represented in hate-crimes. They contribute more % to hate-crime based crimes than run of the mill crimes, which means their illegal actions tend to be based more on discrimination than their elder counterparts.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Except that doesn't explain why youths are over-represented in hate-crimes. They contribute more % to hate-crime based crimes than run of the mill crimes, which means their illegal actions tend to be based more on discrimination than their elder counterparts.

Of course, not all racists commit hate crimes. Closet racists, by definition, do not.

[ranchlandsselling]

rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/

Noun

• The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...
• Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.

I'm also wondering if "go back to China" is actually racist? It's a stupid and brutal comment. Is it believing that all members of that race are from China (which would kind of fit my pasted definition. That said isn't that in fact true? One way or another? Regardless if it's a 3rd generation Canadian of Chinese descent, wouldn't they still one way or another have come from China?

[ranchlandsselling]

Originally Posted by SebC

Of course, not all racists commit hate crimes. Closet racists, by definition, do not.

Ditto for law-abiding racists.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by SebC

Of course, not all racists commit hate crimes. Closet racists, by definition, do not.

Don't disagree with you, but don't really know your argument here. What does that have to do with intolerance in youth? I mean sure, as you get to a certain age you are less likely to act on your racist tendencies because you got to start worrying about your profession etc. But when the argument is that youth tend to be more tolerant and data shows they commit upwards of 70% of hate-crimes, there's at least some disconnect going on.

You got to be cautious with some of the data as there isn't really hate-crime based theft etc. but still 70% of hate crimes based on sexual orientation are committed by 12-24 year olds.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by ranchlandsselling

rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/

Noun

• The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...
• Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.

I'm also wondering if "go back to China" is actually racist? It's a stupid and brutal comment. Is it believing that all members of that race are from China (which would kind of fit my pasted definition. That said isn't that in fact true? One way or another? Regardless if it's a 3rd generation Canadian of Chinese descent, wouldn't they still one way or another have come from China?

Go back to Africa, along with everyone else!

[Ped]

Originally Posted by ranchlandsselling

I'm also wondering if "go back to China" is actually racist? It's a stupid and brutal comment. Is it believing that all members of that race are from China (which would kind of fit my pasted definition. That said isn't that in fact true? One way or another? Regardless if it's a 3rd generation Canadian of Chinese descent, wouldn't they still one way or another have come from China?

I would think what makes it racist is the apparent mindset behind the words, even if the words themselves don't fit your conceived notion, i.e. "go back to china because you don't belong here because you're not white and can't tell me what to do, and I do belong here."

It's not about whether the guy is from China or Korea or Laos or anywhere else.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by ranchlandsselling

I'm also wondering if "go back to China" is actually racist?

I guess it depends on the context.

If you are at a travel agent and you say "I don't know where to go, but I really loved China the last time I was there" and the travel agent says "go back to China", that's not racism at all.

Or if you are from China and you are talking to your friends and you say "I really miss China" and your friends say "go back to China", that's okay too.

But, when a dumb person angrily tells you to "go back to China" and then adds "you don't belong here", that probably fits the bill.

[Zevo]

Since we're generalizing here, young white guys generally think they know everything and have all the all the answers. As you age and get a little clarity and perspective, you start to realize what a dumb ass you were.

[photon]

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[Zevo]

Originally Posted by photon

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Crap, you're right, could have written are instead of were, but I am older than I was so I must be wise now, right?

[jayswin]

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[Zevo]

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by valo403

To be clear, I'm no expert on Canadian criminal law, my point is simply that being assaulted does not grant you a free pass to deliver an assault. There's much more to it than that and the circumstances have to be taken into consideration. He knows that, he's just being intentionally obtuse.

Valo, although being assaulted does not grant you a free pass by any means, it certainly does constitute provocation. Provocation may not be a full defense but it is most definitely an important consideration and often leads to an acquittal or mitigated sentence.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Don't disagree with you, but don't really know your argument here. What does that have to do with intolerance in youth?

My point is that hate crimes are quite likely not representative of general trends in attitude.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Go back to Africa, along with everyone else!

Unless you're white then go back to Saskatchewan

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Zevo

I don't get it. What's racist about people thinking of dicks? Because they're white?

[Rubicant]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

I don't get it. What's racist about people thinking of dicks? Because they're white?

Are
Be

Equals Arby's. I'm thinking Arby's.