Breaking Bad

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Daradon

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Ricin is a fairly stupid suicide delivery. It takes days. Why not just shoot yourself? Walt's got the means.

The ricin really only works as a covert murder delivery.

And why would he travel out of his way just to commit suicide? Suicide slowly?

Ricin is not a suicide pill, doesn't make sense to take it. First like I said, you die slowly. This leads to the second reason. High levels officials are often thought to carry suicide pills so they don't give information under threat of torture. If you took ricin, you'd still have many hours to be tortured and leak info.

Naw he's got a plan for it. Someone who he feels betrayed him.

I wasn't think of just Walt killing himself only. Maybe for him and Skyler, if prison wasn't something they could stomach.

But you're right. But why get the ricin at all, unless he doesn't want somebody else to find it? Even if he couldn't make up another batch, he could locate something else poisonous enough to kill a person.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I wasn't think of just Walt killing himself only. Maybe for him and Skyler, if prison wasn't something they could stomach.

But you're right. But why get the ricin at all, unless he doesn't want somebody else to find it? Even if he couldn't make up another batch, he could locate something else poisonous enough to kill a person.

Well yeah, obviously he wants if for something. I guess if he is planning on going out in a blaze of glory you're right, he doesn't really need ricin. He only needs it if he wants to get away with poisoning/killing someone.

We'll see. It's another bullet in his chamber anyway, it could be useful for a few reasons. It would be a lot easier to discreetly get that in someones food than dumping in a lethal dose of pine-sol, lol.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Well yeah, obviously he wants if for something. I guess if he is planning on going out in a blaze of glory you're right, he doesn't really need ricin. He only needs it if he wants to get away with poisoning/killing someone.

We'll see. It's another bullet in his chamber anyway, it could be useful for a few reasons. It would be a lot easier to discreetly get that in someones food than dumping in a lethal dose of pine-sol, lol.

It's probably for Lydia. There is something pretty weird about her. Why is she caught up in this? She doesn't seem like she needs the money. Is Madrigal to Lydia what Hermanos was to Gus and the carwash is to Walt? It just seems weird with a seemingly good corporate job.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Wormius

It's probably for Lydia. There is something pretty weird about her. Why is she caught up in this? She doesn't seem like she needs the money. Is Madrigal to Lydia what Hermanos was to Gus and the carwash is to Walt? It just seems weird with a seemingly good corporate job.

Yeah Lydia seems to be good at making people mad at her. Her recent play this week probably won't go as smoothly as she hoped either.

The only reason I don't think it may be Lydia is because Walt already toyed with that idea once. Also, it seems Lydia is capable of getting herself killed by people other than Walt, haha.

[ranchlandsselling]

Maybe he's suddenly got a conscience and doesn't want anyone finding it and doing something bad with it or ingesting it.

Or, doesn't want it used as evidence against him (what would the charge be for having ricin?).

[Daradon]

I imagine ricin would fall under chemical weapon laws and would carry a massive penalty.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Wormius

It's probably for Lydia. There is something pretty weird about her. Why is she caught up in this? She doesn't seem like she needs the money. Is Madrigal to Lydia what Hermanos was to Gus and the carwash is to Walt? It just seems weird with a seemingly good corporate job.

The name of the final episode might be in reference to her???? Final is called "Felina". I might be grasping at straws. I don't know. There's something real important going on with her.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

The name of the final episode might be in reference to her???? Final is called "Felina". I might be grasping at straws. I don't know. There's something real important going on with her.

Is that the feminine form of "Felon" or "feline"? I guess it's also a anagram of "finale".

[PowerPlayoffs06]

Oh nice. Guess it's time to start staying out of this thread for the next 6 weeks.

[Daradon]

I know you guys are white-ing out the the important words, but it might just be better if you put it into spoiler tags.

On that note, I had a few ideas of what may go down based on some sound bites I heard. I'll put them into spoiler tags because while I know it's very possible AMC is just editing them together to mess with their audience, I know people stay away from sound bites and promo shots.

Spoiler!

I think Jesse finds out Walt's involvement with Brock's illness next episode. We know Saul knows and he got Huell to help. We also know that even Saul said he wouldn't have helped if he knew the plan involved harming and possibly killing a child. It sounds like, from the sound bites, that Jesse finds this out from Saul.

[JeanLucPicard]

I just have a hard time imagining any reason for Jesse to know anything about the kid or Jane. (I think it would be forced writing if it happened). There is no reason for Walt, or Goodman, to care about those things at this point, let alone tell Jesse. When they know nothing good comes out of Jesse knowing it why would they tell him?

[djsFlames]

Judging by the sound bits in the preview for next week, the idea does fit. It sounds like Jesse is trying to get some truth out of Walt or Saul, and Saul is claiming that something he did in his past he never would have got involved in if he knew it's real purpose. The poisoning of the kid fits that bill quite well. How it gets brought up again, I have no idea for sure. As far as we know that Jesse knows, he has concluded that it was some complete accident. Unless Walt comes clean with him for some reason.

My theory is that Jesse figures out Hank is on to Walt, as Hank will offer him some sort of deal to give him something solid on Walt, but Jesse doesn't rat on him in the interrogation room right then I don't think. Saul probably gets him out and he goes to Walt, and then with the knowledge that Hank's onto him, uses the threat of exposing him to Hank as leverage to get every lie he can out of Walt. Jesse already suspects he's lying about Mike and it's obviously been bothering him. So maybe he threatens to talk if Walt doesn't come clean. And so perhaps Walt comes clean about more than one thing (Mike, Brock, maybe even Jane). Then when Jesse finds out, he has that heated conversation with Saul relating to the poisoning incident. Then it would make sense.

At that point I think he decides to rat on Walt anyways out of pure anger and sense of betrayal.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Judging by the sound bits in the preview for next week, the idea does fit. It sounds like Jesse is trying to get some truth out of Walt or Saul, and Saul is claiming that something he did in his past he never would have got involved in if he knew it's real purpose. The poisoning of the kid fits that bill quite well. How it gets brought up again, I have no idea for sure. As far as we know that Jesse knows, he has concluded that it was some complete accident. Unless Walt comes clean with him for some reason.

My theory is that Jesse figures out Hank is on to Walt, as Hank will offer him some sort of deal to give him something solid on Walt, but Jesse doesn't rat on him in the interrogation room right then I don't think. Saul probably gets him out and he goes to Walt, and then with the knowledge that Hank's onto him, uses the threat of exposing him to Hank as leverage to get every lie he can out of Walt. Jesse already suspects he's lying about Mike and it's obviously been bothering him. So maybe he threatens to talk if Walt doesn't come clean. And so perhaps Walt comes clean about more than one thing (Mike, Brock, maybe even Jane). Then when Jesse finds out, he has that heated conversation with Saul relating to the poisoning incident. Then it would make sense.

At that point I think he decides to rat on Walt anyways out of pure anger and sense of betrayal.

Jesse would never try to blackmail Walt. He knows that Walt would just kill him like he has with every other person that has gotten in his way.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Jesse would never try to blackmail Walt. He knows that Walt would just kill him like he has with every other person that has gotten in his way.

Well obviously Jesse is quite depressed and irrational at the moment, and I don't think he'd consider such an issue if he found out Walt poisoned Brock or Walt killed Mike, he's already hanging on by a thread as is. If it means taking down Walt and the empire he built, then I don't think Jesse cares a whole lot about sacrificing his life for the cause. Not that I am confident that is what the outcome will be, but I don't think Jesse is all that concerned about the ramifications of taking down Walt (unlike everyone else around him). That goes towards the dichotomy of their relationship, and how it should evolve to a tipping point eventually this season.

[djsFlames]

I think Jesse would, actually. He has no loyalty to Walt anymore. They haven't worked together for months. Walt dropped off 5 million dollars of "blood money" that has been feeding on him mentally since episode 8. And he had his gun in his back pocket when Walt showed up, so it looks like he's been contemplating getting rid of Walt, maybe for the good of everything/everyone that have been ruined by his actions. Or could just be for protection.

I think he's becoming so irrational and troubled by what they've done that he might feel that the one bit of good he can do to rectify their actions is take Walt down. Maybe he's coming to the conclusion that Walt got him into it all in the first place and he should be the one to blame. This being without even the knowledge of all the terrible things Walt has done to Jesse. But I can see him making a demand for the truth, before either trying to take him out himself, or spilling to Hank. There's a good chance that the ricin is to be used for Jesse, as it was always their thing. But Jesse will have to cross Walt in a really big way for Walt to decide to poison him.

[Wormius]

Saul is the one that knows a bit too much about everything.. Why Walt told Saul about Mike is a bit perplexing. I am not sure if push came to shove that Saul wouldn't dish on Walt.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I think Jesse would, actually. He has no loyalty to Walt anymore. They haven't worked together for months. Walt dropped off 5 million dollars of "blood money" that has been feeding on him mentally since episode 8. And he had his gun in his back pocket when Walt showed up, so it looks like he's been contemplating getting rid of Walt, maybe for the good of everything/everyone that have been ruined by his actions. Or could just be for protection.

I think he's becoming so irrational and troubled by what they've done that he might feel that the one bit of good he can do to rectify their actions is take Walt down. Maybe he's coming to the conclusion that Walt got him into it all in the first place and he should be the one to blame. This being without even the knowledge of all the terrible things Walt has done to Jesse. But I can see him making a demand for the truth, before either trying to take him out himself, or spilling to Hank. There's a good chance that the ricin is to be used for Jesse, as it was always their thing. But Jesse will have to cross Walt in a really big way for Walt to decide to poison him.

Why poison Jesse though? He's the kind of person with so few ties and protection, you could bury him in the dessert and no one would notice he was missing. The only 2 people he seems to interact with are his two stoner friends. They aren't the type likely to call the police, and Jesse is acting so irrationally, they would probably just assume he left town.

Ricin poisoning is the kind of thing you use in situations that require discretion and tact. Situations where Walt would have to take somebody out discretely.

[MikePatton]

Originally Posted by blankall

Why poison Jesse though? He's the kind of person with so few ties and protection, you could bury him in the dessert and no one would notice he was missing.

They would notice if they ate the dessert

[Methanolic]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Breaking Bad quiz - Walter White or Shakespeare quote?

http://www.cbc.ca/books/2013/08/who-...n-villain.html

Respectable 90% The last one was a bit hard to attribute to either Walter White or a character from Shakespeare.

Scored 90% Also, got this one wrong:

Q.6 "My God, the universe is random, it's not inevitable, it's simple chaos.”

[Pooty]

A friend sent this to me on facebook, hopefully not fata. It's breaking bad as documented by the costume colours for each important character. Shows just how much detail Vince Gilligan and crew have delved into throughout this show. (In spoiler tags because it does include some key plot points.)

Spoiler!

http://www.fastcodesign.com/1673264/an-epic-timeline-of-breaking-bads-wardrobe-colors#-5