Sen. Ted Cruz renounces Canadian citizenship

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think the U.S. recognizes dual citizenship anymore. A girl I work with has dual citizenship in Canada, but she was told that if she lived in the U.S. and wanted the benefits of citizenship, that she would have to renounce her Canadian citizenship there.

Unless she has her information wrong or I am misunderstanding.

I have a friend who got dual citizenship not too long ago. While she did have to say an oath where she had to swear allegiance to US and renounce all others, it didn't affect her Canadian citizenship. Might have to jump through a couple other hoops if you intend on dual citizenship but I'm near certain it's allowed in the States.

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

I suppose after the Obama birth certificate thing, candidates need to cover all bases.

Except isn't this exactly what the birthers were against? No one argued Obama's mother wasn't American. They argued he wasn't born in the US and therefore not eligible, now the teaparty seems to have high hopes for this Canadian? I'm sure they will keep bringing up Obama if this man becomes a legitimate candidate, but it's hypocrisy at its finest.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think the U.S. recognizes dual citizenship anymore. A girl I work with has dual citizenship in Canada, but she was told that if she lived in the U.S. and wanted the benefits of citizenship, that she would have to renounce her Canadian citizenship there.

Unless she has her information wrong or I am misunderstanding.

I believe there are different rules based on how you attained the US Citizenship, much like how it is with some European Union countries.

If you hold dual citizenship through "soft" rights such as birth or marriage, you can hold dual citizenship.

If you are looking to obtain citizenship as an adult through immigration or actually trying to obtain another countries citizenship, then you may be required to give up your previous citizenship.

My child is Canadian born to a Canadian mother and American father. They have the ability to hold both Canadian and American Citizenship as both come via birth right. If I was to apply to get them US Citizensihp, they would not have to give up Canadian, nor would Canada require them to give up US Citizenship.

This explains it best: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1753.html

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

[Canada 02]

Canadian law permits dual or multiple citizenships: you can be a citizen of another country and still be recognized as Canadian.

http://travel.gc.ca/travelling/publi...al-citizenship

The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.
A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1753.html

[Tinordi]

Is there a bigger a-hole to come from Calgary?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I'm a little angered by this. It doesn't effect anything in terms of his political career. As others pointed out, there is nothing stopping him from being president...ugh. Still, why would you give up a citizenship to another country just because it satisfies a rabid and unintelligent base? Oh wait, I answered my own question. I hate American politics right now.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I'm a little angered by this. It doesn't effect anything in terms of his political career. As others pointed out, there is nothing stopping him from being president...ugh. Still, why would you give up a citizenship to another country just because it satisfies a rabid and unintelligent base? Oh wait, I answered my own question. I hate American politics right now.

By this logic, technically the head of state of another sovereign nation could also vote in or run for election or otherwise legally be a political actor in our country as well. It's not only because it satisfies a rabid and unintelligent base, it's because legally, only natural born citizens of the U.S. (traditionally born on U.S. soil or of two American parents) can be President. He's sitting in a grey area and trying to tackle that ambiguity. I'm glad he gave up his dual citizenship because it's obvious where his loyalties lie and if he is running for political office in the U.S., I am happy with him giving up his political rights in Canada in order to do so.

[nik-]

I don't care that he renounced his citizenship even a little bit, but It's hilarious that birthers don't have a problem with this, but Obama was basically a foreign born anti-christ.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I don't know, two of the biggest birthers, Donald Assclown and Orly Taitz, have already said Cruz isn't much different than Obama.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I have a friend who got dual citizenship not too long ago. While she did have to say an oath where she had to swear allegiance to US and renounce all others, it didn't affect her Canadian citizenship. Might have to jump through a couple other hoops if you intend on dual citizenship but I'm near certain it's allowed in the States.


Except isn't this exactly what the birthers were against? No one argued Obama's mother wasn't American. They argued he wasn't born in the US and therefore not eligible, now the teaparty seems to have high hopes for this Canadian? I'm sure they will keep bringing up Obama if this man becomes a legitimate candidate, but it's hypocrisy at its finest.

If his mother was an American he would have been an American, so if that was their argument they were even dumber than I thought.

[Doodlebug]

Let face it, the vast majority of birther's and their supporters...equated being a natural born citizen to being born on US soil. The subtleties are lost on them.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by valo403

If his mother was an American he would have been an American, so if that was their argument they were even dumber than I thought.

A couple did argue that the law at the time required a US citizen to have been in America for a certain amount of time prior to the birth to give birth to an American outside of American soil. But a larger majority seemed to fit in the "he wasn't born on American soil to two American parents" so he's not eligible. I'm sure those that fit in that group will be brushing up on their 1960's American citizenship laws today though.

[Daradon]

I got no problems with this. He's a dyed in the wool big C Texas conservative, he should stay down there.

Even outside of my personal views on his politics, I really have no problem with people who switch nationalities. It happens all the time with our actors and entertainers of course. There is a tendency to get attached to our exports when really it has nothing to do with us. It's their choice.

For example Jim Carrey said when he switched that in some ways he felt it was appropriate cause the US gave his carrer the attention it deserved, he was pretty much ignored as a comedian in Canada (until he became famous). The comedy circut was a lot bigger down in the States than it was here. We're doing good at promoting it now, but not so much back then, so I don't feel bad about decisions like that at all. Why wouldn't you feel a little loyalty to the country that helped you make it big? I know I would.

[Fusebox]

John McCain was born in Panama.

[Huntingwhale]

Traitor. He is obviously a terrorist.

[jammies]

Typical freeloader - takes advantage of our socialist health-care to get born, then takes off to the States and never pays us back.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Daradon

For example Jim Carrey said when he switched that in some ways he felt it was appropriate cause the US gave his carrer the attention it deserved, he was pretty much ignored as a comedian in Canada (until he became famous). The comedy circut was a lot bigger down in the States than it was here. We're doing good at promoting it now, but not so much back then, so I don't feel bad about decisions like that at all. Why wouldn't you feel a little loyalty to the country that helped you make it big? I know I would.

Jim Carrey did not switch. He is still a Canadian citizen. He has dual citizenship. You don't need to give up dual citizenship for anything in Canada. The only exception I can think of is Conrad Black whom Chretien forced to choose between getting an Order of Canada or renouncing his British citizenship or his seat in the UK House of Lords?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think the U.S. recognizes dual citizenship anymore. A girl I work with has dual citizenship in Canada, but she was told that if she lived in the U.S. and wanted the benefits of citizenship, that she would have to renounce her Canadian citizenship there.

Unless she has her information wrong or I am misunderstanding.

I think this is correct. If I wanted to go down and work in the states as a US citizen, not an immigrant on a work visa, I would have to renounce Canadian citizenship. But I think Canada is the other way around and don't make you renounce citizenship. At least it was for a long time, I'm sure there has been changes.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I think this is correct. If I wanted to go down and work in the states as a US citizen, not an immigrant on a work visa, I would have to renounce Canadian citizenship. But I think Canada is the other way around and don't make you renounce citizenship. At least it was for a long time, I'm sure there has been changes.

Nope, you do not have to renounce your Canadian citizenship to become a US citizen.

According to U.S. law, you can be a citizen of the U.S. and of another country or other countries. You can have a "second citizenship".

Consider this option of you are a Canadian citizen who wants dual U.S./Canadian citizenship. Of course, you should also look to your own country's law, to see if that country will allow you to keep dual citizenship. Canada and the U.K. allow dual citizenship. The international trend is to allow dual citizenship.

http://www.grasmick.com/citizen.htm#CAN I BE A

[Coach]

Nice to know, thanks.

I hear so many mixed things about the laws/rules behind dual citizenship. It all seems pretty vague and ever changing, especially when it comes to banking/taxes. But to be fair, I haven't looked that much into it.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Orly Taitz

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All my American friends call her 'Oily Taint.'

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