As much as I like RATM,this seems like it would be awesome in an arena setting and would really get the crowd pumped.
Not to mention blends very well with the "Yahoo!!" soundbite if you replace with the final "wooo-ah" in the song.
I'm judging these songs based on how well it would work with a playoff (I know, a while away) energy crowd, since that's when it'll have it greatest strength. I think RAGM has the best potential to keep the crowd going wild, therefore that's my primary choice still. Righteous is a good alternative, but as others have said, it's safer, which actually could limit the atmosphere a bit. I think we could go for more energy, which Sleep Now in the Fire offers. Easier for 20K to chant "HEY! HEY!" when hyped up then going "wooo-ah".
Carolina, Detroit, Edmonton and LA all need new goal songs a whole lot more badly than we do
"I have poop on my face but some people have even more poop on their face than me! Therefore I don't really have to do anything about all of this poop on my face until they get all of the poop off of their faces."
It's sad that people allow stereotypes and perceptions of select groups of "haters" deter them from just sitting, listening and realizing a band or artist is actually alright. Or if it's not appealing to them, they can at least acknowledge that talent is there. Seen them live myself, (opened for another band) and they were decent, not the best but far from the worst, as the exaggerations here seem to suggest. It's maybe not their live shows that make them great, but their songwriting and style imo.
I just think some people here/in general trash on things simply cause of the what he/she said, and not because they actually sat down, listened through a record and decided it's not for them. Personally, I don't give a #### what the general perception of an artist is, if it's a treat to my ears then I'll give 'em a chance. I'm not going to be some fake ####, afraid to associate myself with something just cause someone said it's only for some specific audience, based on some feeble idea without actual substance, cooked up by other p####s who're afraid to express themselves. That's some highschool kind of mentality that is.
It's sad that people allow stereotypes and perceptions of select groups of "haters" deter them from just sitting, listening and realizing a band or artist is actually alright. Or if it's not appealing to them, they can at least acknowledge that talent is there. Seen them live myself, (opened for another band) and they were decent, not the best but far from the worst, as the exaggerations here seem to suggest. It's maybe not their live shows that make them great, but their songwriting and style imo.
I just think some people here/in general trash on things simply cause of the what he/she said, and not because they actually sat down, listened through a record and decided it's not for them. Personally, I don't give a #### what the general perception of an artist is, if it's a treat to my ears then I'll give 'em a chance. I'm not going to be some fake ####, afraid to associate myself with something just cause someone said it's only for some specific audience, based on some feeble idea without actual substance, cooked up by other p####s who're afraid to express themselves. That's some highschool kind of mentality that is.
Dear gods are you ever full of yourself.
Yes, obviously people who hate the music you like must somehow be mistaken. It must be that THEY are somehow misguided, where as you as a superior human being with superior musical tastes are beyond such mistakes.
Yes, obviously people who hate the music you like must somehow be mistaken. It must be that THEY are somehow misguided, where as you as a superior human being with superior musical tastes are beyond such mistakes.
To be fair, I think he's talking about people having preconceptions and not actually taking music or an artist on their merits. I'm totally ok with people not liking something if they have a list of criteria that the artist did not meet. Most of the time they just say it's crap without detailing why.
If you're going to be a critic, you have to back it up with a solid argument.
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If you're going to be a critic, you have to back it up with a solid argument.
Well, no, not really. Music is a very subjective thing, I can't give you specific reasons why I dislike country music (for example). Even a country song with amazing lyrics has no appeal to me at all. But why? I like all the instruments they use to make the music on their own or in other forms of music and like I said above, I might even like the lyrics too. But there is just something about the style of that music which has no appeal to me. And at the end of the day, most (all?) of us would like to enjoy the song we're going to hear when our team scores, not to mention a song we're going to hear many, many, many times over the next few years.
Bringing this back to the goal song/FOB debate, I actually do have some specific reasons why I think the song is far from ideal. Yes, it is a simplistic chorus that could be chanted and yes, they do reference "fire" but, IMO, it is also a cheesy song, I don't find it has much, if any "pump up" value and I also find the singers voice to be rather grating having heard the song 5-10 times, I can't imagine having to hear it hundreds/thousands of times in the coming years.
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Well, no, not really. Music is a very subjective thing, I can't give you specific reasons why I dislike country music (for example). Even a country song with amazing lyrics has no appeal to me at all. But why? I like all the instruments they use to make the music on their own or in other forms of music and like I said above, I might even like the lyrics too. But there is just something about the style of that music which has no appeal to me.
Bringing this back to the goal song/FOB debate, I actually do have some specific reasons why I think the song is far from ideal. Yes, it is a simplistic chorus that could be chanted and yes, they do reference "fire" but, IMO, it is also a cheesy song, I don't find it has much, if any "pump up" value and I also find the singers voice to be rather grating having heard the song 5-10 times, I can't imagine having to hear it hundreds/thousands of times in the coming years.
This is a critique...not a great one, but at least you explained why.
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This is a critique...not a great one, but at least you explained why.
I think it was succinct, to the point and most importantly, my opinion. Like I edited into my post above, we all want to enjoy our goal song. Some of you like this song and it happens to check off a couple of boxes that some of you feel need to be checked off with regards to a goal song. That doesn't mean the rest of us should be, or are, inclined to agree.
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Put me on the list for NO to FOB. Just because the song has the lyrics "Fire" doesn't mean it would be a good goal song. FOB is in the same group as Hedley to me. Cheesy bubble gum punk rock.
Franz Ferdinand take me out isn't exactly new, but start it at the 2 minute mark and it would be pretty fitting.
Put me on the list for NO to FOB. Just because the song has the lyrics "Fire" doesn't mean it would be a good goal song. FOB is in the same group as Hedley to me. Cheesy bubble gum punk rock.
Franz Ferdinand take me out isn't exactly new, but start it at the 2 minute mark and it would be pretty fitting.
Put me on the list for NO to FOB. Just because the song has the lyrics "Fire" doesn't mean it would be a good goal song. FOB is in the same group as Hedley to me. Cheesy bubble gum punk rock.
Franz Ferdinand take me out isn't exactly new, but start it at the 2 minute mark and it would be pretty fitting.
This, I think, is the problem people are getting at. Some people who are nay saying the FOB song are just saying so because they don't like FOB, and their critiques aren't directly at the song itself. For instance, I can't stand Monster Truck, but I think Righteous Smoke is a fitting song, and I think it would work well as the goal song. I also dislike FOB, but I see the value in that song as the goal song. I LOVE RATM, but honestly, I don't think Sleep Now in the Fire is a great choice. The problem is that people just say "What band? Oh, no thank you" without considering the song itself. It just doesn't lend someone credibility when they write off a song based on its performer, or jump all over a song just because they like the band. We're looking at 10-20 seconds of music, lets think about those 10-20 seconds of music, not the entire discography of each and every band and how they represent us as a city. If you want to say "I hate how whiny he sounds when he says 'fire!'" then that is a logical and fair critique, but if your critique is "Fall Out Boy is for teens" then you probably could stand to educate yourself a bit.
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Prepare for the worst my friend. All I know is the Flames presentation as a whole has been pretty lame for a long time. It wouldn't suprise me that their 4 songs to choose from end up being a horrible selection of teeny bopper pop tunes, ###### rock (Nickelback) and or pop punk (FOB).
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The Flames should pave their own way with their goal song, not try to do what the Rangers or Hawks do -- at least theirs are somewhat cool, not a really annoying pop punk boy band. If you're gonna the general rules of the "goal song" then at least do it by a respectable band, not some annoying tripe that the opposition and their fans will laugh at and follow up by "lighting up" our young team.
And for those who say the band shouldn't matter -- if we dig up a Celine Dion song that mentions fire and has chanting would that be suitable?
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Put me on the list for NO to FOB. Just because the song has the lyrics "Fire" doesn't mean it would be a good goal song. FOB is in the same group as Hedley to me. Cheesy bubble gum punk rock.
Speaking as someone who has played in a lot of pop-punk/bubble gum punk bands over the years, please stop associating Fall Out Boy with us. We want nothing to do with them.
Edit: And I just finished watching a couple Hedley videos on youtube (had never heard of them), and you clearly have no idea what any form of punk rock is.
May not be suitable but Pyro by Hail The Villain would be a good one if you limit the amount of lyrics you play. Sorry if it has already been suggested.
