CBC’s Hockey Night in Canada window set to close

[StrykerSteve]

TSN hockey broadcasts don't hold a candle to CBC's HNiC. The pregame, intermissions and postgame features are all head and shoulders above what TSN brings to the table.

I despise cutting away immediately after the buzzer to show SportsCenter. Here's one guy who hopes CBC retains the rights.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by pylon

A very interesting observation a co-worker had today.

HNIC on CBC has been around longer than the current Canadian flag.

For some people, in the current age of 300+ channels, they can't identify HNIC with the event it used to be in the days of 13 channels. Hearing that theme song on a Saturday Night back in the 70's and 80's was a family event. We always had Hamburgers, and banana milkshakes during the game, in the confines of our cozy house while it was 25 below and dark outside. Why that combo? Who knows, but at least once a year me and my dad re-live the old tradition, but only if it is a Original 6 match up.

Isn't HNIC the longest running show in North America now?

I would be very disappointed to see it fall to TSN

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

you look at what TSN did for their CFL coverage once they got it. they amped up the coverage paid a lot of money for production values and threw themselves wholey and completely into building it into one of their flagship franchises.

I don't doubt that if they got the Saturday NHL games and looked at the advertising revenue that CBC got for it and they would throw a ton of money into the production of NHL games.

Plus with two TSN channels, they could literally do proper game splitting and give us more viewing options for those of us who are sick of Leaf games for the early games.

^^ This. Why does everyone think that if they win the rights to the biggest weekly hockey broadcast, they'd treat it like just another Tuesday night game??

As with the CFL, I suspect that if TSN got their hands on this, they'd put every resource on it an turn it into one of the best productions on television.

[d_phaneuf]

the one good thing that may come of this is an overhaul of the CBC

the BBC which it is modeled after has some of the most watched, and purchased by other countries, programming in the world

BBC Revenue in 2012/2013 minus the license fees was still 1.4 billion pounds

That's also without commercials (outside for BBC shows)

shows like Top Gear, Doctor Who, Planet earch have made the beeb hundreds of millions of dollars on their own

they also just have a history of quality and have shown some of the best shows on tv, it's too many to count but as varied as Monty Python to Sherlock to The Office etc.

why can't CBC be even 1% of that

[Sainters7]

After reading the first few pages of this thread, I'm clearly in the extreme minority...but IMO, aside from not cutting away from their feed right after the horn, the only thing I think HNIC does better than TSN hockey telecasts is how they let you experience the arena pregame hype right before a big playoff game with zero talking. Love how they do that.

That aside, I think TSN's telecasts are far superior, and have been for awhile. And I take a panel featuring Duthie, McKenzie & Ward every time over HNIC's pinheads. I'm actually quite surprised so many think HNIC is still the gold standard, I think it's been a shadow of its former self for over a decade now. Loved CBC growing up (who didn't?), and its to the point where I'm choosing NBC games over HNIC during the playoffs when given the option lately. That shouldn't happen.

I'm really hoping CTV/TSN outbids CBC, I've been waiting for this for awhile. Maybe TSN would get an actual weekend "hockey night", a la HNIC, complete with solid post-game coverage. I truly think it'd be a significant upgrade over what CBC's been doing the last few years.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

the one good thing that may come of this is an overhaul of the CBC

the BBC which it is modeled after has some of the most watched, and purchased by other countries, programming in the world

BBC Revenue in 2012/2013 minus the license fees was still 1.4 billion pounds

That's also without commercials (outside for BBC shows)

shows like Top Gear, Doctor Who, Planet earch have made the beeb hundreds of millions of dollars on their own

they also just have a history of quality and have shown some of the best shows on tv, it's too many to count but as varied as Monty Python to Sherlock to The Office etc.

why can't CBC be even 1% of that

Because as soon as any of our talent becomes good enough, they're gone to the States for big money.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

After reading the first few pages of this thread, I'm clearly in the extreme minority...but IMO, aside from not cutting away from their feed right after the horn, the only thing I think HNIC does better than TSN hockey telecasts is how they let you experience the arena pregame hype right before a big playoff game with zero talking. Love how they do that.

That aside, I think TSN's telecasts are far superior, and have been for awhile. And I take a panel featuring Duthie, McKenzie & Ward every time over HNIC's pinheads. I'm actually quite surprised so many think HNIC is still the gold standard, I think it's been a shadow of its former self for over a decade now. Loved CBC growing up (who didn't?), and its to the point where I'm choosing NBC games over HNIC during the playoffs when given the option lately. That shouldn't happen.

I'm really hoping CTV/TSN outbids CBC, I've been waiting for this for awhile. Maybe TSN would get an actual weekend "hockey night", a la HNIC, complete with solid post-game coverage. I truly think it'd be a significant upgrade over what CBC's been doing the last few years.

I actually watch NBC feed over CBC feed too, but that's because the actual presentation of live action is better on NBC and TSN. But CBC is much, much better at capture the emotion of the game beforehand, and giving a proper post game show.

If TSN/CTV would basically match CBC with the pregame montage and letting the setting do the work for the in arena pregame rituals, as well give a more of a overview of the game at the end, then there's nothing we should really miss aside from it being on CBC. (Which I actually don't care much for, and besides they may still do hockey on Sunday which is good.)

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Because as soon as any of our talent becomes good enough, they're gone to the States for big money.

the talent in most of those shows is the creators

or you need to build up enough credibility to keep stars coming back

Mr D, arctic air, and heartland aren't doing that

network needs to start taking chances, needs an entire overhaul

if HNIC stays they will keep treading water and being the same

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

the talent in most of those shows is the creators

or you need to build up enough credibility to keep stars coming back

Mr D, arctic air, and heartland aren't doing that

network needs to start taking chances, needs an entire overhaul

if HNIC stays they will keep treading water and being the same

When I'm speaking about talent, I'm not just speaking about on air personalities and it isn't just about the CBC, although the CBC is a reflection of this.

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[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Think again if you think this will lead to a less Toronto dominated broadcast. At least a public broadcaster has some accountability to regionalism. A TSN HNIC, by virtue of it being a private business would, if anything, go deeper on the Toronto/Montreal bias and focus.

Not to mention they own the farking team.

Gee, the broadcaster owns a team, I WONDER WHAT GAMES THEY WILL SHOW! Probably more flames games...Right?

[Erick Estrada]

HNIC intermissions and PBP are hot garbage. I understand the sentimentality of people who like to keep things the same as they have always been but it's a subpar product only a step above RSN wich is the low bar for NHL hockey.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I actually watch NBC feed over CBC feed too, but that's because the actual presentation of live action is better on NBC and TSN. But CBC is much, much better at capture the emotion of the game beforehand, and giving a proper post game show.

That part I won't argue with you about. I wish more stations (and sports) would just shut up and let you experience the pregame vibe of the crowd going into a big playoff game the way they do. Always gets me so fired up. One of the few things I think HNIC gets right these days.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

the one good thing that may come of this is an overhaul of the CBC

the BBC which it is modeled after has some of the most watched, and purchased by other countries, programming in the world

BBC Revenue in 2012/2013 minus the license fees was still 1.4 billion pounds

That's also without commercials (outside for BBC shows)

shows like Top Gear, Doctor Who, Planet earch have made the beeb hundreds of millions of dollars on their own

they also just have a history of quality and have shown some of the best shows on tv, it's too many to count but as varied as Monty Python to Sherlock to The Office etc.

why can't CBC be even 1% of that

The BBC received £3.6B ($5.7B CAD) in public funding from the television license fee in 2012. For comparison, the CBC received $1B in public funding for the same year.

Per capita annual public funding:
BBC: $91.2
CBC: $29.0

In other words, the BBC receives more than triple the amount of public funding per citizen that the CBC does. If we want our public broadcaster to rival that of one of the best in the world, perhaps we should fund it similarly.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Not to mention they own the farking team.

Gee, the broadcaster owns a team, I WONDER WHAT GAMES THEY WILL SHOW! Probably more flames games...Right?

CBC plays mostly Toronto & Montreal games for the first game as is because they are out east. There are only 3 teams they can play for the first game, Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal. Winnipeg and their time zone starts put them in no mans land.

It would have no effect on Flames games because the flames play out west and get the late games.

[Hank Hill]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

CBC as a whole costs taxpayers approximately $31.30 per year. That's about one nice meal out with your wife or girlfriend a year. That number will be going down as the Canadian Government is set to cut CBC's $1.1 billion per year in funding by 10%.

That's peanuts, really. I have no problem dishing out $31.30 to CBC.

I want my thirty bucks back, I wouldn't give $0.03 for the CBC.

I hope they turn to a PBS model where if you want to watch garbage programming you send them your money not force all Canadian taxpayers to pay.

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

shows like Top Gear, Doctor Who, Planet earch have made the beeb hundreds of millions of dollars on their own

they also just have a history of quality and have shown some of the best shows on tv, it's too many to count but as varied as Monty Python to Sherlock to The Office etc.

why can't CBC be even 1% of that

CBC has made lots of good shows. SCTV, Kids in the Hall, people all over the world love Degrassi. Nature of Things doesn't get its due, (though I despise David Suzuki). I know lots of Americans who love Red Green. I think lately CBC has been trying to produce more 'popular' programs like Heartland, Mr. Dee etc to compete against the american shows/networks. They used to make shows like Twitch City or Wind at My Back and nobody watched them.

Also there's only six episodes of Sherlock and two of them aren't that great.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Not to mention they own the farking team.

Gee, the broadcaster owns a team, I WONDER WHAT GAMES THEY WILL SHOW! Probably more flames games...Right?

The Leafs are featured in all but 3 Saturday Nights this year. Would it really make a whole lot of difference in that department if they moved to TSN. Sure they might get more coverage outside of games (if that's possible), but there likely won't be any extra games. At least with TSN you could probably choose to watch another game at 5 on TSN2, then switch to the other game in the second-half of the doubleheader. So for those of us with only basic cable packages there will actually be much less Leafs coverage.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

The Leafs are featured in all but 3 Saturday Nights this year. Would it really make a whole lot of difference in that department if they moved to TSN. Sure they might get more coverage outside of games (if that's possible), but there likely won't be any extra games. At least with TSN you could probably choose to watch another game at 5 on TSN2, then switch to the other game in the second-half of the doubleheader. So for those of us with only basic cable packages there will actually be much less Leafs coverage.

I do wonder if there's the possibility they might get less Leafs games on Saturday nights if the NHL goes to a Sunday night package since you would think that the Leafs would need to be represented on CBC/Sportsnet as well.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

I do wonder if there's the possibility they might get less Leafs games on Saturday nights if the NHL goes to a Sunday night package since you would think that the Leafs would need to be represented on CBC/Sportsnet as well.

exactly what I was thinking. It would lead to every team getting more exposure IMO. And if they did Sunday double headers it would be even better yet.

[Hank Hill]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

The BBC received £3.6B ($5.7B CAD) in public funding from the television license fee in 2012. For comparison, the CBC received $1B in public funding for the same year.

Per capita annual public funding:
BBC: $91.2
CBC: $29.0

In other words, the BBC receives more than triple the amount of public funding per citizen that the CBC does. If we want our public broadcaster to rival that of one of the best in the world, perhaps we should fund it similarly.

You are comparing apples and oranges. The main difference I noticed watching TV in England was barely any commercials, the bulk of their revenue comes from licensing where in Canada it comes from advertising.

The government should stay out of broadcasting, CTV and Global have shown you can do a good job without squeezing taxpayers for money