2013 Calgary Best Neigbourhoods

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by valo403

It's almost as if it would make your answer a subjective one, as opposed to objective.

Yes, valo, I know what subjective means. I maintain the following is objectively true: All things being equal, it is preferable to live by an amenity-rich lake than to not.

I know you disagree with that statement. I know a lot of people do. Can we move on yet?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yes, valo, I know what subjective means. I maintain the following is objectively true: All things being equal, it is preferable to live by an amenity-rich lake than to not.

I know you disagree with that statement. I know a lot of people do. Can we move on yet?

I just....I cant....

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yes, valo, I know what subjective means. I maintain the following is objectively true: All things being equal, it is preferable to live by an amenity-rich lake than to not.

What if I hate the sound of screaming kids and don't enjoy water? Please explain how a lake community would be objectively better for me.

[troutman]

I can walk to Chicken On The Way

/thread

[Locke]

Maybe this will help.

sub·jec·tive [suhb-jek-tiv]
adjective
1.existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought (opposed to objective ).

2.pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation.

3.placing excessive emphasis on one's own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc.; unduly egocentric.

4.Philosophy . relating to or of the nature of an object as it is known in the mind as distinct from a thing in itself.

5.relating to properties or specific conditions of the mind as distinguished from general or universal experience.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/subjective?s=t

ob·jec·tive [uhb-jek-tiv]
adjective
4. being the object or goal of one's efforts or actions.

5.not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.

6.intent upon or dealing with things external to the mind rather than with thoughts or feelings, as a person or a book.

7.being the object of perception or thought; belonging to the object of thought rather than to the thinking subject (opposed to subjective ).

8.of or pertaining to something that can be known, or to something that is an object or a part of an object; existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/objective?s=t

[Locke]

Originally Posted by troutman

I can walk to Chicken On The Way

/thread

And a little tipsy from FATS no less!

[terminator]

I'd love to hear an universally accepted value of having a lake?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by terminator

I'd love to hear an universally accepted value of having a lake?

Because sitting around stagnant water while ugly kids scream and yell for hours around you is incredibly appealing to everyone.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yes, valo, I know what subjective means. I maintain the following is objectively true: All things being equal, it is preferable to live by an amenity-rich lake than to not.

I know you disagree with that statement. I know a lot of people do. Can we move on yet?

Maybe you do, but you sure as hell have no idea what objective means. Not even a little bit.

[freakinsaprikin]

A few things going on in this tread that I want to comment on, so I won't go through the exercise of quoting a bunch of different posters:

- Sliver is getting pilled on in this thread just because he is Sliver, not because he isn't make a valid point.

- Objective Value would be the recognition that certain things add value to a neighborhood. That would include "Lakes", Location, Amenities that aren't lakes, Size of house for Cost, Size of yard for cost, etc...

- Subjective Value would be the amount of value an individual or family would place on any of the items from objective Value based on their perspective.

- Locke, Option 4 - Increase in quality of life because of the lake in exchange for an increased commute time. Having the ability to go for a swim away from the general rift raft whenever we feel like(weather permitting) has increased my quality of life.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by freakinsaprikin

A few things going on in this tread that I want to comment on, so I won't go through the exercise of quoting a bunch of different posters:

- Sliver is getting pilled on in this thread just because he is Sliver, not because he isn't make a valid point.

- Objective Value would be the recognition that certain things add value to a neighborhood. That would include "Lakes", Location, Amenities that aren't lakes, Size of house for Cost, Size of yard for cost, etc...

- Subjective Value would be the amount of value an individual or family would place on any of the items from objective Value based on their perspective.

- Locke, Option 4 - Increase in quality of life because of the lake in exchange for an increased commute time. Having the ability to go for a swim away from the general rift raft whenever we feel like(weather permitting) has increased my quality of life.

I imagine you meant, 'riff raff' which, thank you, is more than a little condescending and insulting to all of us 'non-Bonavista Royalty.' Thanks Sliver, for thanking that post, I'll take my place with the plebians and proletariat 'riff raff' that dont live in Bonavista.

But I'm getting on Sliver because some people just dont give a crap about a lake. I get that he likes it, and you like it. Great. I dont have a single problem with that.

Saying its, objectively, the greatest place in Calgary because it has a lake is window-licking ######ed.

Some people would choose to live in Bonavista over anywhere in the world, and some people couldnt care less if it burned to the ground, all based on the exact same criteria.

My post about kids a little while back, hey, that was a little over-the-top dont ya think? But then again, since when were we caring about extreme opinions and calling them facts?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yes, valo, I know what subjective means. I maintain the following is objectively true: All things being equal, it is preferable to live by an amenity-rich lake than to not.

I know you disagree with that statement. I know a lot of people do. Can we move on yet?

Your original claim you made did not include the statement all things being equal. In fact in your original claim you identified a lake fee of $250 which in fact means it requires a value judgement of if having a lake is worth $250. Beyond that land values in lake communities are higher than the adjacent lakeless comunities.

I think everyone would agree that if it were possible to add a lake to a community without anything else changing then yes a lake would be equal or better. If you never used it equal if you used it once or more better. But that is just a semantic argument of something is better than nothing and has no place in a discussion of which neighbour hood is better. But even then it is still an subjective statement.

So you were just arguing semantics and intentionally ignoring the broader question of is a lake community worth the sacrifices of higher price and further away from downtown.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GGG

Your original claim you made did not include the statement all things being equal. In fact in your original claim you identified a lake fee of $250 which in fact means it requires a value judgement of if having a lake is worth $250. Beyond that land values in lake communities are higher than the adjacent lakeless comunities.

I think everyone would agree that if it were possible to add a lake to a community without anything else changing then yes a lake would be equal or better. If you never used it equal if you used it once or more better. But that is just a semantic argument of something is better than nothing and has no place in a discussion of which neighbour hood is better. But even then it is still an subjective statement.

So you were just arguing semantics and intentionally ignoring the broader question of is a lake community worth the sacrifices of higher price and further away from downtown.

It's also stupid because the idea of "all things being equal" is a completely ludicrous hypothetical.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by freakinsaprikin

A few things going on in this tread that I want to comment on, so I won't go through the exercise of quoting a bunch of different posters:

- Sliver is getting pilled on in this thread just because he is Sliver, not because he isn't make a valid point.

- Objective Value would be the recognition that certain things add value to a neighborhood. That would include "Lakes", Location, Amenities that aren't lakes, Size of house for Cost, Size of yard for cost, etc...

- Subjective Value would be the amount of value an individual or family would place on any of the items from objective Value based on their perspective.

- Locke, Option 4 - Increase in quality of life because of the lake in exchange for an increased commute time. Having the ability to go for a swim away from the general rift raft whenever we feel like(weather permitting) has increased my quality of life.

I found another slough dweller!

[freakinsaprikin]

Originally Posted by Locke

I imagine you meant, 'riff raff' which, thank you, is more than a little condescending and insulting to all of us 'non-Bonavista Royalty.' Thanks Sliver, for thanking that post, I'll take my place with the plebians and proletariat 'riff raff' that dont live in Bonavista.

But I'm getting on Sliver because some people just dont give a crap about a lake. I get that he likes it, and you like it. Great. I dont have a single problem with that.

Saying its, objectively, the greatest place in Calgary because it has a lake is window-licking ######ed.

Some people would choose to live in Bonavista over anywhere in the world, and some people couldnt care less if it burned to the ground, all based on the exact same criteria.

My post about kids a little while back, hey, that was a little over-the-top dont ya think? But then again, since when were we caring about extreme opinions and calling them facts?

Yes "riff raft", thanks. I was more making a joke than anything. I'm not actually part of the "Bonavista Royalty", I hold court in a different Wonderous lake community.

Has Sliver actually Said "objectively, the greatest place in Calgary because it has a lake" anywhere in this thread? If so, I must of missed it.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by freakinsaprikin

Yes "riff raft", thanks. I was more making a joke than anything. I'm not actually part of the "Bonavista Royalty", I hold court in a different Wonderous lake community.

Has Sliver actually Said "objectively, the greatest place in Calgary because it has a lake" anywhere in this thread? If so, I must of missed it.

No, he said "Objectively any community with a lake is better than a community without one."

[terminator]

Originally Posted by freakinsaprikin

Yes "riff raft", thanks. I was more making a joke than anything. I'm not actually part of the "Bonavista Royalty", I hold court in a different Wonderous lake community.

Has Sliver actually Said "objectively, the greatest place in Calgary because it has a lake" anywhere in this thread? If so, I must of missed it.

I guess you missed it.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by troutman

I can walk to Chicken On The Way

/thread

You live in Dover? or Temple??hehe

http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/15/15838...he-Way-Calgary

http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/15/17281...he-Way-Calgary

[Locke]

Originally Posted by freakinsaprikin

Yes "riff raft", thanks. I was more making a joke than anything. I'm not actually part of the "Bonavista Royalty", I hold court in a different Wonderous lake community.

Has Sliver actually Said "objectively, the greatest place in Calgary because it has a lake" anywhere in this thread? If so, I must of missed it.

Yes.

Originally Posted by Sliver

These lists are so GD ridiculous. Brentwood higher than Lake Bonavista?! lol

As for Arbour Lake, I don't know if it's the best or not, but it has a lot going for it. First of all, a lake community should be in the top spot, so that makes sense. Any lake community is objectively better than any non-lake community. Arbour Lake also seems to have a nice range of home prices, and I like that basically anybody from any budget could get in there. It's also a nice age now with established trees, schools, etc. LRT runs right through it. Crowfoot right there (restaurants, grocery stores, theater, shopping, etc.).

Acadia, though, you have to be kidding. Varsity as well. Those communities don't offer anything special.

[freakinsaprikin]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

I found another slough dweller!

Off subject, but most man made lakes in the city are not still water. They are fed and circulated by water sources.