[Signing] Flames sign Josh Jooris (2 yr ELC, $925k AAV)

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Parallex

How about nothing (at least right now)? I think I'd rather have an open reserve list spot available for someone potentially better down the road.

Between when? Now and training camp? Because most 'better options' have already signed. Some of them here.

If nothing else, it helped convince future players with tryout options to go to a development camp with the flames, because a guy like Jooris got a contract out of a strong showing.

Don't be afraid , Parallex

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Why? A 23 y.o. College Junior with meh stats (at the NCAA level) and only average size... why burn a reserve list spot?

Clearly they like the player otherwise they wouldn't have signed him.
Are you really trying to judge the decision based on his size and stats? Surely you realize that is a fraction of the information one would need to actually assess this move.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Parallex

How about nothing (at least right now)? I think I'd rather have an open reserve list spot available for someone potentially better down the road.

To do what? Make a playoff run?

If the kid looked that good in camp, then give him a shot. There's no risk here. At worst, he's an option for Abbotsford who might get a cup of coffee in Calgary to see if he can make it. If not, his contract expires at the same time the team hopes to move into its upswing. If he does turn into a serviceable player, then we've added centre depth cheap.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Parallex

How about nothing (at least right now)? I think I'd rather have an open reserve list spot available for someone potentially better down the road.

Signing young players that have a good showing in a camp is why you invite young players not in the system to camp... With how many contract spots we have left (more than the Flames usually have) I would much rather sign a Jooris out of our prospect camp than a Begin.

If Jooris can turn into another undrafted NHL success story then the Flames win out huge with literally zero risk.

I also like the fact that he plays against Boston College.

[LouCypher]

With how weak our depth at center was last season this signing is pretty encouraging. Jooris, Knight, Monahan all dedicated centers with some size. Not sure if all 3 play next year but I think its an improvement over what we have.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by $ven27

As long as he's in the AHL I have no problem with this.

Yes, because the Flames have enough centers at the NHL level for a healthy competition.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Between when? Now and training camp?

Between now and the end of the year actually... I'd prefer the space for the prospect of signing upcoming NCAA free agents with better upside then Jooris, our own NCAA guys coming off their school year (Arnold, Agostino, Hopefully Gaudreau), + any young NHL'ers/signed prospects that come back at the deadline.

Originally Posted by Wolven

I would much rather sign a Jooris out of our prospect camp than a Begin.

Personally I'd rather do neither.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Between now and the end of the year actually... I'd prefer the space for the prospect of signing upcoming NCAA free agents with better upside then Jooris, our own NCAA guys coming off their school year (Arnold, Agostino, Hopefully Gaudreau), + any young NHL'ers/signed prospects that come back at the deadline.



Personally I'd rather do neither.

We're probably trading away as many contracts as we are gaining before the trade deadline, probably more. We'll have the contract space needed to do what we want.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

We're probably trading away as many contracts as we are gaining before the trade deadline, probably more. We'll have the contract space needed to do what we want.

You can't guarentee that... maybe the other teams will need to send back a player because their own list is full, the Flames might need to take on a contract for salary cap purposes (ours or theirs), maybe the best deal is one that involves taking on extra contracts. On top of all of our own property guys that we'd want signed.

I'd rather the Flames keep it as simple as possible then edge closer to complications so that they can sign a 23 year old guy whose development curve in the NCAA was effectively flat in terms of statlines.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by Parallex

You can't guarentee that... maybe the other teams will need to send back a player because their own list is full, the Flames might need to take on a contract for salary cap purposes (ours or theirs), maybe the best deal is one that involves taking on extra contracts. On top of all of our own property guys that we'd want signed.

I'd rather the Flames keep it as simple as possible then edge closer to complications so that they can sign a 23 year old guy whose development curve in the NCAA was effectively flat in terms of statlines.

there are no guarantees at all... maybe this guy comes and becomes the real deal, you just never know, but I'll leave it in the hands of the hockey club.

[StrykerSteve]

Going to assume that Parallex has never even seen the guy play.

It says a lot about a player when he's out there with the team's top prospects, and consistently had me checking my sheet to figure out who that was that just stood out amongst the crowd.

This is a solid signing.

[dammage79]

Stockpiling RW prospects is never a bad thing at this point in time. The more the merrier.

[dustygoon]

Jooris was probably recruited by Coach Leaman when he was at Union. Feaster and Weisbrod must have Nate Leaman on speed dial. He probably has a job if he wants to move on for college ranks.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Going to assume that Parallex has never even seen the guy play.

It says a lot about a player when he's out there with the team's top prospects, and consistently had me checking my sheet to figure out who that was that just stood out amongst the crowd.

This is a solid signing.

I concur, SS. One of the more impressive players at camp. I wasn't surprised to see him signed - nice to see him rewarded for his good showing. Low risk signing.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Robbob

So it is an ELC...Can't say I blame him blowing off the last year of college. Honestly with the state the flames are in probably his best chance to play an NHL game.

You can always go back to college or finish through correspondence.

The only real downside I see for these guys is that they kill their NCAA eligibility. So after they get their cup of coffee, they have to decide between playing in the AHL or similar league or going back to college and being unable to play.

Personally, it'd be a no-brainer for me. He'll probably be able to earn a couple hundred thousand dollars and also he gets to see if he has what it takes.

[Stupid]

I'm glad to see him signed.

He deserved something for his good showing and I'm happy to see the Flames try to throw as much mud against the wall as they can. Just see what sticks, there's reason to believe he'll be good. We've seen it ourselves.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Parallex

You can't guarentee that... maybe the other teams will need to send back a player because their own list is full, the Flames might need to take on a contract for salary cap purposes (ours or theirs), maybe the best deal is one that involves taking on extra contracts. On top of all of our own property guys that we'd want signed.

I'd rather the Flames keep it as simple as possible then edge closer to complications so that they can sign a 23 year old guy whose development curve in the NCAA was effectively flat in terms of statlines.

How much space do you realistically think the Flames are going to need to take on contracts? If the previous number was accurate, the Flames are at 46 contracts and can let two of them slide. We need to sign Brodie and Bancks and will be hovering between 46-48 contracts depending on whether or not Monahan and Sieloff play more than 9 games this season.

That leaves us with likely 3 contract spots to make moves with. Personally, my expectation is for us to end up with more empty contract spots, not less, as we will be looking to ship out players like Stajan, Cammalleri and Stempniak at the trade deadline for more draft picks. I am also hoping that we get to trade MacDonald away if/when Ramo and Berra show that they can handle playing at the NHL level.

I can see us entering one trade, maybe two trades, where we take on extra contracts but what this team should be trying to acquire in trades is picks and prospects, not players.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by Parallex

You can't guarentee that... maybe the other teams will need to send back a player because their own list is full, the Flames might need to take on a contract for salary cap purposes (ours or theirs), maybe the best deal is one that involves taking on extra contracts. On top of all of our own property guys that we'd want signed.

I'd rather the Flames keep it as simple as possible then edge closer to complications so that they can sign a 23 year old guy whose development curve in the NCAA was effectively flat in terms of statlines.

It seems like you just don't like the signing based on the stats, but we got a decent asset for free. As much as stats don't tell the whole story, for example he had one point less than Laganiere who after his fourth year this past season was a highly sought after college free agent. He stood out in development camp about as much as the other college guys his age. If he went back to college it's all but guaranteed there would be multiple teams bidding on him next spring. By adding him we have another prospect with some potential filling an AHL spot rather than an AHL vet.

Even if you can't be convinced of the worthiness of the signing on it's own, you're making an issue out of nothing in your mind about the roster spot. There will be three or four roster spots open depending on whether Monahan makes the team. This is plenty to do what you're talking about. Those college guys you listed may not all be done their seasons early enough to play with the Flames and that may not be what both parties want at the time either. It's not guaranteed that we move more players out than we bring in, but it's overwhelmingly likely and it certainly won't be hard to ship out vets for picks if the need arises. Based on the number of roster forwards we have now many are even speculating somebody gets shipped out before the regular season starts.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by cral12

I concur, SS. One of the more impressive players at camp.

He's 23 years old and was competing against a group composed of many 18, 19, and 20 year olds. It's a lot easier to look impressive when you're being measured against folk mostly younger and less experienced then you.

Originally Posted by blah blah

It seems like you just don't like the signing based on the stats

Not just the raw stats it's the flatness of the developmental curve, if he'd shown an improvement in them over the three year in the NCAA I'd see more of a capacity for upside but he's essentually just tread water, that's better then sinking but hardly encouraging.

Originally Posted by blah blah

but we got a decent asset for free.

No, we got a an asset of unknown possibly dubious value in exchange for a reserve list slot. I'll grant that's "cheap" but it's not free.

Originally Posted by Wolven

How much space do you realistically think the Flames are going to need to take on contracts? If the previous number was accurate, the Flames are at 46 contracts and can let two of them slide. We need to sign Brodie and Bancks and will be hovering between 46-48 contracts depending on whether or not Monahan and Sieloff play more than 9 games this season.

That leaves us with likely 3 contract spots to make moves with.

Well, to be safe I'd basically assume that I take back 1 contract per trade (cap or reserve list reasons + young players/prospects) and then assume that you'll sign and play all your senior college guys + gaudreau and hopefully at least one of the better guys from the upcoming class. Not a lot of wiggle room left there.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Parallex

He's 23 years old and was competing against a group composed of many 18, 19, and 20 year olds.

Does that mean Berra should not have a contract?