2013 Calgary Best Neigbourhoods

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

It's not an opinion I'm sharing; it's a judgement of facts free from bias, which is why I used the word objective. The fact is, given there is no material cost difference between a lake community and a non-lake community, it is better to live in a community with a lake.

Spoiler!

[PsYcNeT]

I have a Wendy's within 10 minutes walking distance of my house.

Check and mate.

[worth]

Living on a Lake Community increases my chance of drowning. Therefore lake communities are objectively worse.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by pylon

I agree Lake Bonavista is a beautiful little community Sliver, I actually hope to live there again one day. But right now there is also a lot of old, run down, poorly maintained eyesores for houses there. There is some new communities that are amazing in their own right. Just because there is a man made hole filled with water there, doesn't make it Teh Bestest EVAR! Just because YOU live there, doesn't make it the best either.

Dude, I'm not advocating for Lake Bonavista in this thread. I defended Arbour Lake as being a reasonable choice for the #1 community in Calgary. I'm advocating for lake communities in general.

[Senator Clay Davis]

So is it some sort of pre-requisite that every few months Sliver has to go full ###### over something?

[Bobblehead]

A community has a lake - objective
A lake is beneficial to a community - subjective

[Red John]

Originally Posted by Sliver

That's true, but in every one of my posts I'm clear that is the opportunity for leisure that is the bonus of a lake community. Having a lake doesn't mean you don't have golf, bike paths, parks, etc. It means you have those and you have a lake. And you don't pay any material amount more for it. It's weird you guys don't see that's better than not having a lake.

When it looks like all the cars are driving on the wrong side of the road, it's probably just you that's driving on the wrong side of the road.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Dude, I'm not advocating for Lake Bonavista in this thread. I defended Arbour Lake as being a reasonable choice for the #1 community in Calgary. I'm advocating for lake communities in general.

Originally Posted by Sliver

These lists are so GD ridiculous. Brentwood higher than Lake Bonavista?! lol

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[pylon]

Originally Posted by Sliver

That's true, but in every one of my posts I'm clear that is the opportunity for leisure that is the bonus of a lake community. Having a lake doesn't mean you don't have golf, bike paths, parks, etc. It means you have those and you have a lake. And you don't pay any material amount more for it. It's weird you guys don't see that's better than not having a lake.

I think you are confusing living on the lake with living in a lake community. If you are judging a community by proximity to a lake, then the absolute best communities would be Deer Run Estates or Parkland, where you live right on Fish Creek Park, which also has a man made lake with public access. But also a nature preserve, woods, bike paths, marshes, a river, world class fly fishing, and wildlife.

I would much rather live there, as I would get 10 X more use out of Fish Creek park as I did when I was a kid in Bonavista. I made the trek through Parkland almost every day to go down there. Parkland is the best community ever in the history of ever, because it suits my needs better.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by pylon

I think you are confusing living on the lake with living in a lake community. If you are judging a community by proximity to a lake, then the absolute best communities would be Deer Run Estates or Parkland, where you live right on Fish Creek Park, which also has a man made lake with public access. But also a nature preserve, woods, bike paths, marshes, a river, world class fly fishing, and wildlife.

I would much rather live there, as I would get 10 X more use out of Fish Creek park as I did when I was a kid in Bonavista. I made the trek through Parkland almost every day to go down there. Parkland is the best community ever in the history of ever, because it suits my needs better.

As I said, I'm not the one that made this about Lake Bonavista; however, since you brought it up I'll point out that Lake Bonavista also borders Fish Creek Park. I ride my bike there multiple times per week.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Sliver

It's weird you guys don't see that's better than not having a lake.

2013:

Kids killed by dogs: 0
Kids killed in community lakes: 1

[freakinsaprikin]

I agree with the point Sliver is trying to make. He isn't saying that it's awesome just because of the lake and that nothing else matters.

He is saying, all else being equal, having a lake is better than not having a lake. This is regardless of if you choose to use the lake or not.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Sliver

As I said, I'm not the one that made this about Lake Bonavista; however, since you brought it up I'll point out that Lake Bonavista also borders Fish Creek Park. I ride my bike there multiple times per week.

The problem is not Bonavista vs Arbour or anything, its that you are arguing that a lake makes a community universally better. And while a lake may be a popular option when considering where to buy it a home, it is most certnaily not a bonus for everyone. And thus, a lake has no more bearing on a community's rank than it would to have a bar 2 feet from your house. One may want the former and one may want the latter, and therefore a lake being "better" is a subjective opinion, not an objective fact.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by freakinsaprikin

I agree with the point Sliver is trying to make. He isn't saying that it's awesome just because of the lake and that nothing else matters.

He is saying, all else being equal, having a lake is better than not having a lake. This is regardless of if you choose to use the lake or not.

See below

Originally Posted by MattyC

The problem is not Bonavista vs Arbour or anything, its that you are arguing that a lake makes a community universally better. And while a lake may be a popular option when considering where to buy it a home, it is most certnaily not a bonus for everyone. And thus, a lake has no more bearing on a community's rank than it would to have a bar 2 feet from your house. One may want the former and one may want the latter, and therefore a lake being "better" is a subjective opinion, not an objective fact.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

As I said, I'm not the one that made this about Lake Bonavista; however, since you brought it up I'll point out that Lake Bonavista also borders Fish Creek Park. I ride my bike there multiple times per week.

I see you manmade pond and raise you a natural spring fed lake.

Objectively my lake is better than yours.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by freakinsaprikin

I agree with the point Sliver is trying to make. He isn't saying that it's awesome just because of the lake and that nothing else matters.

He is saying, all else being equal, having a lake is better than not having a lake. This is regardless of if you choose to use the lake or not.

But you're never going to have "all else being equal" when you refer to lakes in communities. A downtown district will most certainly not have a lake, but may have many other amenities that a lake community does not that are preferential to a certain demographic. In short, while there are communities that are "nicer" than others just due to the demographic of people that generally live in those areas, lists like this are completely bunk as everyone has differing opinions of what makes their community better/worse than another.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by freakinsaprikin

I agree with the point Sliver is trying to make. He isn't saying that it's awesome just because of the lake and that nothing else matters.

He is saying, all else being equal, having a lake is better than not having a lake. This is regardless of if you choose to use the lake or not.

No, he's not saying that at all. He's saying that a community that he likes more, because it has a lake, is objectively better, which is total BS.

Lake communities simply do not offer everything that other communities do, that's just the way it is. Which lake community offers a 5 minute walk to downtown? Which lake community offers the density that some of us enjoy? If you like hanging out at lakes, then yes, a lake community is great. But that's a subjective stance based on your values, not an objective declaration that lakes are better than no lakes.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by valo403

No, he's not saying that at all. He's saying that a community that he likes more, because it has a lake, is objectively better, which is total BS.

Lake communities simply do not offer everything that other communities do, that's just the way it is. Which lake community offers a 5 minute walk to downtown? Which lake community offers the density that some of us enjoy? If you like hanging out at lakes, then yes, a lake community is great. But that's a subjective stance based on your values, not an objective declaration that lakes are better than no lakes.

No valo, that's not what I'm saying. freakinsaprikin did a nice job of summarizing (and clarifying) my position.

[rotten42]

Originally Posted by Sliver

You're totally underestimating the value of an
over sized mosquito pond.
.

fixed

[freakinsaprikin]

Originally Posted by MattyC

But you're never going to have "all else being equal" when you refer to lakes in communities. A downtown district will most certainly not have a lake, but may have many other amenities that a lake community does not that are preferential to a certain demographic. In short, while there are communities that are "nicer" than others just due to the demographic of people that generally live in those areas, lists like this are completely bunk as everyone has differing opinions of what makes their community better/worse than another.

No of course not, but there is a reason why houses in Lake communities are generally worth more than similar houses in communities around it that don't have lakes.