[Rumour] Feaster only offering T.J. Brodie a one or two year deal.

[Ryan Coke]

Feaster said he has offered 1 and 2 year deals previously, and in response to Brodie's agents desire for 3 he has now offered a 3 year option as well.

I still don't understand the motivation for more term for an upcoming player like Brodie. Go and prove what you are for 2 years, then go for money and term. Right now even with some more term, he won't be able to get much more money based on his current body of work.

[StrykerSteve]

3 years at 2.5M per is the max of what I'd be comfortable offering.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

I still don't understand the motivation for more term for an upcoming player like Brodie. Go and prove what you are for 2 years, then go for money and term. Right now even with some more term, he won't be able to get much more money based on his current body of work.

I don't pretend to know what he and his agent are thinking but it's possible they are looking at potentially how bad the Flames roster looks for the next couple of seasons and realize he's probably going to have some rough nights and an unflattering +/- playing for this team which may not set him up for a big payday whearas a three year deal for moderate money with hopes in year three the team starts an upward tragectory bolster's his worth more.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't pretend to know what he and his agent are thinking but it's possible they are looking at potentially how bad the Flames roster looks for the next couple of seasons and realize he's probably going to have some rough nights and an unflattering +/- playing for this team which may not set him up for a big payday whearas a three year deal for moderate money with hopes in year three the team starts an upward tragectory bolster's his worth more.

And that is a good point on their part (if that is the actual motivation for the 3 year deal). If they are worried that Brodie will look bad because the entire team is likely to look bad for the next couple of years then having the next contract negotiations in 3 years instead of 2 is a smart move.

Hopefully Brodie will be a part of the solution instead of a part of the problem. If he can step up his game, take on a #2 role with the team and put up respectable numbers regardless of how bad the team is doing, then the Flames will be thrilled to have him for that third year at a cheap rate.

$2-2.5M per for 3 years sounds pretty reasonable.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

Feaster said he has offered 1 and 2 year deals previously, and in response to Brodie's agents desire for 3 he has now offered a 3 year option as well.

I still don't understand the motivation for more term for an upcoming player like Brodie. Go and prove what you are for 2 years, then go for money and term. Right now even with some more term, he won't be able to get much more money based on his current body of work.

A 3 year term would give him 5 years of NHL service thus making him eligible for arbitration while being 1 year away from reaching UFA status.

I am positive that is why he want's 3 years and the Flames do not, if gives him more leverage next time around.

[Stay Golden]

2-2.5m 3 years still surprised Feaster and Brodie's agent still haven't got this contract ironed out and put to rest

I wonder if the other team's arbitration results is what the agent is waiting on as a comparable for Brodie or perhaps he has clients involved and Brodie is down the list now?

Like has been mentioned before in this thread it could be simply be the Flames have a 2 way contract and Brodie is pushing hard to avoid that.
Personally i think he is better than the Flames requiring a 2 way contract.

I hope the Flames are not trying to low ball Brodie with a 1.5m 1 year deal, good business if Brodie bites but i would not be surprised if his agent is sticking to 2-2.5m.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Is it even possible to "low ball" a player, whether it be in term, $, or contract status if you are dealing with a player that has only played 100 NHL games, has 28 points and is a career -9?

Brodie has a lot more proving to do, and if he's a confident player in his abilities he shouldn't be shying away from things like a 2 way contract. No problem with the negotiations and trying to get the most he can, but he's far from entitled to much of anything at this point.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Is it even possible to "low ball" a player, whether it be in term, $, or contract status if you are dealing with a player that has only played 100 NHL games, has 28 points and is a career -9?

Brodie has a lot more proving to do, and if he's a confident player in his abilities he shouldn't be shying away from things like a 2 way contract. No problem with the negotiations and trying to get the most he can, but he's far from entitled to much of anything at this point.

low ball in the sense that his agent may see it as a low ball offer for what he values Brodie at. Who give a s##t what i think is low ball

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

low ball in the sense that his agent may see it as a low ball offer for what he values Brodie at. Who give a s##t what i think is low ball

I wasn't really referring to what you think a low ball might be, more meant it in the sense your refered. Can the agent or the player really feel low balled at this point in time? Brodie has barely established himself as a regular NHL player at this point, really hope him and his agent aren't being a little nuts. Fine to negotiate, but they also at some point need to accept the reality of what Brodie's current value is (not saying they aren't).

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

2-2.5m 3 years still surprised Feaster and Brodie's agent still haven't got this contract ironed out and put to rest

I wonder if the other team's arbitration results is what the agent is waiting on as a comparable for Brodie or perhaps he has clients involved and Brodie is down the list now?

Like has been mentioned before in this thread it could be simply be the Flames have a 2 way contract and Brodie is pushing hard to avoid that.
Personally i think he is better than the Flames requiring a 2 way contract.

I hope the Flames are not trying to low ball Brodie with a 1.5m 1 year deal, good business if Brodie bites but i would not be surprised if his agent is sticking to 2-2.5m.

I don't think the issue would be the 2-way contract. I really doubt the Flames are going to be risking losing Brodie on waivers in order to send him to the Heat.

I can see the arbitration thing being an issue but from what google tells me, Brodie will be able to apply for arbitration either way (1 or 2 year deal) as he is already 23 years old with 2 years of professional experience. Actually, based on that page he is eligible for arbitration now.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Wolven

I can see the arbitration thing being an issue but from what google tells me, Brodie will be able to apply for arbitration either way (1 or 2 year deal) as he is already 23 years old with 2 years of professional experience. Actually, based on that page he is eligible for arbitration now.

You're reading that wrong.

The age on the left is the age at which the player signed his ELC. In Brodie's case, he was 19 when he signed his ELC, so he requires 4 years of pro experience to qualify for arbitration. Brodie has 3 years of experience now, so he'll qualify for arbitration after next season.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by getbak

You're reading that wrong.

The age on the left is the age at which the player signed his ELC. In Brodie's case, he was 19 when he signed his ELC, so he requires 4 years of pro experience to qualify for arbitration. Brodie has 3 years of experience now, so he'll qualify for arbitration after next season.

Isn't it 4 years of service? if so his 3 games in 10-11 don't count.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Like has been mentioned before in this thread it could be simply be the Flames have a 2 way contract and Brodie is pushing hard to avoid that.
Personally i think he is better than the Flames requiring a 2 way contract.

Where did you get the idea that Feaster is offering a two way contract? If I was Brodie I would take it as an absolute insult if I didn't at least get a one year one way $600k deal. Two-way? No way.

[Vulcan]

I remember after a feud between the two, Clarke made a qualifying offer to Lindros that was a two way contract. $8.5M in the NHL and $85,000 in the AHL.

[cowtown75]

^^
Yeah, I agree, I don't think a 2 way contract is anywhere near being on the table.

[Red Ice Player]

A two way contract would make no sense whatsoever. A player of Brodie's ability and potential would be claimed off waivers within minutes of being sent down, followed by the firings of Jay Feaster and several others in hockey operations. Two way contracts are for fringe players, which TJ Brodie isn't.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Isn't it 4 years of service? if so his 3 games in 10-11 don't count.

I'm not sure, it's written oddly in the CBA...

A Player aged 18 or 19 earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more NHL Games in a given season. A Player aged 20 or older (or who turns 20 between September 16 and December 31 of the calendar year in which he signs his first SPC) earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more Professional Games under an SPC in a given season.

I believe this is just clarifying the same rule that allows for the entry-level contract slide for 18 or 19 year-old players. My understanding is: If you're 18 or 19 on September 15 (and do not turn 20 prior to the end of the current calendar year), you must play 10 or more NHL games to count as a year of professional experience. If you are 20 or older on September 15 (or will turn 20 prior to the end of the current calendar year), all AHL or NHL games count towards the 10 games required for a professional season.

Brodie was 20 when he played 3 NHL games and 68 AHL games, so I believe that counts as a year of professional experience for him.

The age requirements in the CBA always confuse me, so I could certainly be wrong.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by FAN

Where did you get the idea that Feaster is offering a two way contract? If I was Brodie I would take it as an absolute insult if I didn't at least get a one year one way $600k deal. Two-way? No way.

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Like has been mentioned before in this thread it could be simply be the Flames have a 2 way contract and Brodie is pushing hard to avoid that.
Personally i think he is better than the Flames requiring a 2 way contract.

Where did I get the idea ???? From this thread and the idea is not mine it was other poster(s) I was just referring to it