If You Are A Woman, Don't Go To Dubai

[drywall_taper]

Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan

The way women are treated in the Middle East is tragic, period. I will say though, that Dubai is a beautiful city. Many women there feel liberated because they can dress in pants and not have to cover their bodies with the lovely grey/black/white burqa wear that is expected of them. I spoke to a woman there who jogged in the mornings in shorts and she told me that men stared at her because she showed skin and they found it alarming. I asked her if she was afraid and she said that she goes in groups of three or more at all times, only in daylight in morning hours and only in open areas. (Must be very relaxing )

Women are looked upon as less than human. I wouldn't walk in Dubai by myself EVER, but then again there are areas in the city I live that I wouldn't visit by myself or with other people- at any time of day.

because half of their asses/tits are NOT hanging out?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan

The way women are treated in the Middle East is tragic, period. I will say though, that Dubai is a beautiful city. Many women there feel liberated because they can dress in pants and not have to cover their bodies with the lovely grey/black/white burqa wear that is expected of them. I spoke to a woman there who jogged in the mornings in shorts and she told me that men stared at her because she showed skin and they found it alarming. I asked her if she was afraid and she said that she goes in groups of three or more at all times, only in daylight in morning hours and only in open areas. (Must be very relaxing )

Women are looked upon as less than human. I wouldn't walk in Dubai by myself EVER, but then again there are areas in the city I live that I wouldn't visit by myself or with other people- at any time of day.

Bull.

You have a system that protects you in one of the safest countries in the world. Comparing yourself to people in some of the most dangerous places in the world is disingenuous crap.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan

The way women are treated in the Middle East is tragic, period. I will say though, that Dubai is a beautiful city. Many women there feel liberated because they can dress in pants and not have to cover their bodies with the lovely grey/black/white burqa wear that is expected of them. I spoke to a woman there who jogged in the mornings in shorts and she told me that men stared at her because she showed skin and they found it alarming. I asked her if she was afraid and she said that she goes in groups of three or more at all times, only in daylight in morning hours and only in open areas. (Must be very relaxing )

Women are looked upon as less than human. I wouldn't walk in Dubai by myself EVER, but then again there are areas in the city I live that I wouldn't visit by myself or with other people- at any time of day.

Up until at least the 88 Olympics, Calgary was safe to walk pretty well everywhere, well at least for a guy. I'm not saying crap didn't happen but there was no particular area that was real sketchy and made your skin crawl. Pre crack days I guess.

[VladtheImpaler]

She is in KC, isn't she?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Up until at least the 88 Olympics, Calgary was safe to walk pretty well everywhere, well at least for a guy. I'm not saying crap didn't happen but there was no particular area that was real sketchy and made your skin crawl. Pre crack days I guess.

There is always going to be crime. But there is no place in Calgary that is 'unsafe' to walk through or so sketchy that you should be expecting something to happen. Especially as a guy. I'll yield the female concerns, but that would be all over the whole world, not just here, and far worse in the other 99% of the world.

This city is one of the safest cities (actually rated second), in one of the safest countries (also near the top of the list), in the safest period in time is history!

Most of us have had confrontations that are dangerous, I've even had a knife pulled on me for the purpose of robbing me, that is just a fact of life. You live life, you're going to have some mix-ups or confrontations. The more your out, or the more social you are, the more likely it'll eventually happen. It' just a numbers game. But it's unfair and statistically inaccurate to say it's unsafe, or bad, or was better before.

People think of the good old days (whether they were pre 88, or pre world war, or whatever) and tend to glorify them. But things were dangerous (in the same vein that they are dangerous now) then too. Things were actually far more dangerous 100 years ago than they were now. But people don't look at it that way, cause they just have the idea of idyllic little towns and close knit communities in their head.

Heck, I've taken snoozes down by the river while I was waiting for the first train to start again, and I've never been bothered.

[justafan]

Curious. After big Brodie fan commented, were any of you women, girls? I see her point. As a woman, you always look, on the street, who is there, the maybe threat....I was always warned when going out. I warned my daughters. Hard to understand unless a female.

[psicodude]

She received a pardon today: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/wo...054/story.html

[cDnStealth]

Originally Posted by justafan

Curious. After big Brodie fan commented, were any of you women, girls? I see her point. As a woman, you always look, on the street, who is there, the maybe threat....I was always warned when going out. I warned my daughters. Hard to understand unless a female.

I understand given the stories I've heard from my sister. Being able to walk down a street at any given time completely oblivious to our surroundings is something most of us men take for granted. That being said, we live in a country where if you're a victim of rape or assault you're not going to be charged with a crime and/or thrown in jail. It's not about Dubai being more dangerous. It's about their backwards archaic laws.

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by psicodude

She received a pardon today: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/wo...054/story.html

I'm glad the pressure (likely both political and public) got to them.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Up until at least the 88 Olympics, Calgary was safe to walk pretty well everywhere, well at least for a guy. I'm not saying crap didn't happen but there was no particular area that was real sketchy and made your skin crawl. Pre crack days I guess.

Where in Calgary wouldn't be safe for a guy to walk? I honestly can't think of anywhere that is genuinely dangerous, but I don't spend a lot of time in Calgary anymore.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by valo403

Where in Calgary wouldn't be safe for a guy to walk? I honestly can't think of anywhere that is genuinely dangerous, but I don't spend a lot of time in Calgary anymore.

There is nowhere that isn't safe for a man.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by valo403

Where in Calgary wouldn't be safe for a guy to walk? I honestly can't think of anywhere that is genuinely dangerous, but I don't spend a lot of time in Calgary anymore.

Left lane on Deerfoot or Stoney Trail in the middle of the night wearing black and crawling like a dog.

I'm sure someone will say Forest Lawn, but it isn't that bad.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Left lane on Deerfoot or Stoney Trail in the middle of the night wearing black and crawling like a dog.

I'm sure someone will say Forest Lawn, but it isn't that bad.

Easy Tobias

[GGG]

Originally Posted by justafan

Curious. After big Brodie fan commented, were any of you women, girls? I see her point. As a woman, you always look, on the street, who is there, the maybe threat....I was always warned when going out. I warned my daughters. Hard to understand unless a female.

Is this a perception that streets arent safe for women at night or is it based in fact. From what I understand most rapes occur by someone known to the victim and not the random stranger looking for a defenseless women. I dont want to minimize anything but does the level of fear correlate with the risk? I have done a little looking for statistics but have found nothing concrete.

[Bill Bumface]

I would say it's pretty safe, even as a woman, but likely less comfortable. A woman is way more likely to have someone make a rapy remark at you walking around than a guy. I'm sure that's not fun.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

I would say it's pretty safe, even as a woman, but likely less comfortable. A woman is way more likely to have someone make a rapy remark at you walking around than a guy. I'm sure that's not fun.

What is "a rapy remark"?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

What is "a rapy remark"?

Well, for one example, my wife (who works downtown) had the pleasure of a gentleman follow her for a block or two last year while yelling "HEY BITCH. HEY. HEY BITCH TURN AROUND. HEY. HEY BITCH."

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Well, for one example, my wife (who works downtown) had the pleasure of a gentleman follow her for a block or two last year while yelling "HEY BITCH. HEY. HEY BITCH TURN AROUND. HEY. HEY BITCH."

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Well, for one example, my wife (who works downtown) had the pleasure of a gentleman follow her for a block or two last year while yelling "HEY BITCH. HEY. HEY BITCH TURN AROUND. HEY. HEY BITCH."

While that guy sounds like an #######, it could have been a women yelling that.

"HEY BITCH, HEY BITCH, HEY BITCH, LEFT ME FORCE MY PENIS INTO YOUR VAGINA, HEY BITCH"

That seems like a "rapy remark"

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

While that guy sounds like an #######, it could have been a women yelling that.

"HEY BITCH, HEY BITCH, HEY BITCH, LEFT ME FORCE MY PENIS INTO YOUR VAGINA, HEY BITCH"

That seems like a "rapy remark"

True.

As a woman however, my wife has a stupid amount of stories over the last 7.5 years I've been with her of her being harassed (mainly DT) when walking to lunch/to transit/back from a work site.

The most I've ever dealt with as a guy (and I'm sure most other dudes have as well, it's endemic apparently) is a group of guys in a car/truck drive by scream "FAAAAG!!!" or "HOMO!!!", which is hilariously sad in retrospect.