[Rumour] Feaster only offering T.J. Brodie a one or two year deal.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I'm actually not a prove it guy, I just think you were making pretty strong statements about Feaster's competence when the only fact we have is that Brodie is not signed yet

fair enough JMO the negotiations have hit a wall with Brodie whether that is on his side or theirs it shouldn't happen with an RFA player that is not a star. Brodie is average but above average for his age. He has the potential in 2 years to be a desirable player among likely many GM's.
I personally feel that Feaster and i am sure that KKing and Edwards have given him a number he has to not exceed with Brodie, they do not want to and Feaster has said it himself go beyond 2 years and i bet the $ amount is less than 2m max per.
Brodie is likely wanting 4 years at 2m-2.5m per. This is just a guess.
The Flames not agreeing to a 4 year will lose out on Brodie when that time comes.
He will then be if what potential we have seen be a 3-3.5m D man and still very young.
The Flames are being very niave about what should be a very straight forward signing. Sign for 4 years and start building the damn new core.

[Knut]

^ 4 years takes him to UFA age does it not.

It would be horrible planning on the Flames part to have him becoming a UFA right when the team is turning things around.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

fair enough JMO the negotiations have hit a wall with Brodie whether that is on his side or theirs it shouldn't happen with an RFA player that is not a star. Brodie is average but above average for his age. He has the potential in 2 years to be a desirable player among likely many GM's.
I personally feel that Feaster and i am sure that KKing and Edwards have given him a number he has to not exceed with Brodie, they do not want to and Feaster has said it himself go beyond 2 years and i bet the $ amount is less than 2m max per.
Brodie is likely wanting 4 years at 2m-2.5m per. This is just a guess.
The Flames not agreeing to a 4 year will lose out on Brodie when that time comes.
He will then be if what potential we have seen be a 3-3.5m D man and still very young.
The Flames are being very niave about what should be a very straight forward signing. Sign for 4 years and start building the damn new core.

You call the Flames naïve

Then you suggest a 4 year deal, which would bring Brodie to UFA status but has no UFA years in it (i.e. possibly the worst term possible for him)

Also, you have absolutely no justification whatsoever to claim that negotiations have hit a wall.

A deal will get done - relax

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Hesla

^ 4 years takes him to UFA age does it not.

It would be horrible planning on the Flames part to have him becoming a UFA right when the team is turning things around.

i don't know is that when he will be a UFA in 4 years? I'm not sure...Either way if they do not show a long term commitment to Brodie not a 1 or 2 year deal i think he walks once he is a UFA.
The noticeable trend in the NHL is players want longer deals and willing to take slightly less money if they like the city and team.
It is obvious Brodie was a rare bright spot in the roster last season so treat the kid right they again JMO are low balling him on money and term.
Who knows he might even hold out and if it is because of that i wouldn't blame him not at all.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You call the Flames naïve

Then you suggest a 4 year deal, which would bring Brodie to UFA status but has no UFA years in it (i.e. possibly the worst term possible for him)

Also, you have absolutely no justification whatsoever to claim that negotiations have hit a wall.

A deal will get done - relax

it is most likely that yes a deal will get done but it is becoming pretty clear that Brodie is not liking what the current offer is and the Flames are not willing to give what Brodie wants.
It is good business for the Flames if they can cheap out with a Butler type deal. But it really bad business if they make through these not very smooth negotiations a young core player say screw it i will sign the 1 or 2 year deal but come UFA i am out of here.
That is a real possibility and if Brodie was looking for a long term deal the Flames are messing up his positive opinion on them into a negative and it is their own doing.
The Flames should be putting a hell of lot more value on young Brodie importance to the Flames in 2-4 years than Butler. They probably have a Butler like deal on the table.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

i don't know is that when he will be a UFA in 4 years? I'm not sure...Either way if they do not show a long term commitment to Brodie not a 1 or 2 year deal i think he walks once he is a UFA.
The noticeable trend in the NHL is players want longer deals and willing to take slightly less money if they like the city and team.
It is obvious Brodie was a rare bright spot in the roster last season so treat the kid right they again JMO are low balling him on money and term.
Who knows he might even hold out and if it is because of that i wouldn't blame him not at all.

Or they don't think that 1 good half-season is enough sample size to commit to Brodie one way or another. a short term deal is the best scenario for both sides. It allows the team to show they are letting play speak for contracts and not the other way around, and Brodie gets a chance to earn a much higher pay a couple years from now.

My guess is contact has been stalled on a one-way vs two-way contract.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Or they don't think that 1 good half-season is enough sample size to commit to Brodie one way or another. a short term deal is the best scenario for both sides. It allows the team to show they are letting play speak for contracts and not the other way around, and Brodie gets a chance to earn a much higher pay a couple years from now.

My guess is contact has been stalled on a one-way vs two-way contract.

Hey i agree with what you are saying if it was me i would sign a 2 year deal and make more on the next contract if this next 2 years go well. But just the fact Feaster said right from the get go his comment about Brodie was not about money is was addressing length of contract only.. He said "we are looking at getting a 1-2 year deal done with "the" player. This tells me Brodie wants a longer contract. So agree on a the middle 3 years is what the Flames should. Brodie by wanting a 4 year or even 5 year is saying i like it here but i want security.
But if it has nothing to do with any of that and is like you said more about the Flames throwing in a 2 way in their then i would tell them to pound sand and again i would use Butler as the example. No 2 way deal signed there and Brodie is much better D man.

[Knut]

^ it is likely in Brodies best interest to sign a shorter term deal too. 4yrs x 2.5 = 10 M... two years x 2 M and then 4 years x 4 M is way better for him.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Hesla

^ it is likely in Brodies best interest to sign a shorter term deal too. 4yrs x 2.5 = 10 M... two years x 2 M and then 4 years x 4 M is way better for him.

I agree it is better for him but maybe Brodie doesn't see it that way.

Perhaps and this is just a thought that Brodie is seeking more long term security and is willing to take slightly less money for the longer deal. Maybe that is his #1 priority?

[dammage79]

Now that Monahan 's ELC is out of the way, I expect brodies deal to be announced within the week. They've been announcing deal announcements almost daily so I wouldn't be surprised if it wasnt announced tomorrow.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Or they don't think that 1 good half-season is enough sample size to commit to Brodie one way or another. a short term deal is the best scenario for both sides. It allows the team to show they are letting play speak for contracts and not the other way around, and Brodie gets a chance to earn a much higher pay a couple years from now.

My guess is contact has been stalled on a one-way vs two-way contract.

Whatever the hangup is, I can't imagine it had anything to do with wanting to have the freedom to send Brodie to the ahl. He's their number 1 d man.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Whatever the hangup is, I can't imagine it had anything to do with wanting to have the freedom to send Brodie to the ahl. He's their number 1 d man.

I think teams would always want that freedom with a young, raw player. I'm not disagreeing he is the best Dman, nor would I think the Flames management, but this IS a negotiation afterall, and both sides will want to use all their bargining chips.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Lots of fail in this thread

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Whatever the hangup is, I can't imagine it had anything to do with wanting to have the freedom to send Brodie to the ahl. He's their number 1 d man.

He's not the Flames #1 defenseman right now. Not even top 2.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's not the Flames #1 defenseman right now. Not even top 2.

His ice time and assignments indicate you're wrong. You can argue he isn't the best d on this team but I would even say that is a stretch.

Besides, if it isn't obvious now, it will be by Christmas

[moon]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

His ice time and assignments indicate you're wrong. You can argue he isn't the best d on this team but I would even say that is a stretch.

Besides, if it isn't obvious now, it will be by Christmas

I would say he is 2nd best behind Gio and probably will see the 2nd most ice time behind him as well at least ES and PK (maybe Wideman taking 2 min PP shifts gives him a slight advantage.)

Chance he could pass Gio this year (especially Gio at last year's play).

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by moon

I would say he is 2nd best behind Gio and probably will see the 2nd most ice time behind him as well at least ES and PK (maybe Wideman taking 2 min PP shifts gives him a slight advantage.)

Chance he could pass Gio this year (especially Gio at last year's play).

I only put him ahead of gio because I know giordano can't play 26 minutes a night. It remains to be seen if Brodie can for a full season, but he looked like he was well on the way to being capable last year.

[Imported_Aussie]

Problem with Brodie is the comparable players were given term.
Voynov (slightly higher level) = 6 years
Josi (very close, maybe slightly higher) = 7 years.

If you work off a 2 year deal, those two would have 2.7+3 (2.85) and 2.5+3 (2.75) respectively. I would think Brodie comes in just below those two if he takes a 2 year deal, but with two guys in his age group, with similar experience, get 6 and 7 year deals, it gives the agent ammunition to fight for term.
Guys who got shorter term deals like Weircoch, Martinez, Muzzin, are all in a tier below/less proven.
Nick Leddy signed a 2 year deal (2, 3.4) but he has a bit more NHL experience, and as a former 1st round pick, can command more $$$. Shattenkirk is not a good comparable either, as he has played in the NHL for longer and has the benefit of more than 1 good point scoring season.

I would say a 2 year deal in the 2.3-2.7 AAV range, or if he is determined for term, lowball him, as he is not at the level of Josi or Voynov yet. Voynov has an AAV of 4.167, Josi 4, Brodie should get 3.8 at the most, and I would bring the offer closer to 3.3-3.5 (i.e. 2.2+2.7+3.4+4+4.2+4.5 = 3.5 AAV).

Best bet, as many posters have said, is sell Brodie and his agent on a bigger deal in 2 years time when the cap has gone up and Brodie's status on the team and in the NHL has gone up also. Make around 2.4M now, then get a deal north of 5M later, provided he has earned it

[BurningSteel]

this wait is getting uncomfortable

[Flash Walken]

Does anyone know if Boyd signed?