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Old 07-19-2013, 07:08 PM   #1241
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My fiance is an UBER Obama fan, she is working on her BA in Social Work (going to pharmacy school) and was just FURIOUS with what Obama said today. She stated that this is something that that guy needs to shut up about and the only thing he is doing is pouring fuel on the racial fire.
Just so I understand, is your fiancee's position that the President of the US is wilfully or negligently exacerbating what many perceive to be a racial conflict?
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Old 07-19-2013, 08:00 PM   #1242
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This is the part where you make an argument, or otherwise provide something to show that your position has merit. This seems to be somewhat of a struggle for you.
There have been over 1000 posts where much of the lies have been repeated and discredited. I don't think even one time have you even acknowledged any counter argument.

I don't need to repeat the facts over and over, you can (but I doubt you will) go back to see which posts are relevant.
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Old 07-19-2013, 08:05 PM   #1243
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Go the page 5 of the PDF from the manual I posted from the National Sherriff's Association. See the symbol on the right (looks like a sideways tear drop)? That symbol is a trademark of USAonWatch - Neighbourhood Watch Program (note the capitals) which is a community based program that works with the local police all over the U.S. They are supposed to follow the rules in the manual if they are using the trademarks (like not carrying weapons). It's in all in the links I posted.

If you go look at "The Retreat at Twin Lakes" on Google street view (intersection of Twin Trees and South Oregon Avenue), they have a sign with that symbol right at the gate of the community. You can see it perfectly. This wasn't just a group of people calling their group a neighbourhood watch, they were "Neighbourhood Watch". They have rules to follow.
For the last time, Z was not 'on duty' when this occurred, he was on his way to the store. He saw what he thought was suspicious behavior, called the police and he got attacked. Z did nothing wrong except acted as a responsible home owner and a responsible member of his community.

On top of that, Z can do whatever he wants, he is free to do so, assuming he obeys the laws. Nothing he did warranted getting attacked.

No race, color, etc lead to TM's demise except for his own desire to get into a fight.
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Old 07-19-2013, 09:51 PM   #1244
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For the last time, Z was not 'on duty' when this occurred, he was on his way to the store. He saw what he thought was suspicious behavior, called the police and he got attacked. Z did nothing wrong except acted as a responsible home owner and a responsible member of his community.

On top of that, Z can do whatever he wants, he is free to do so, assuming he obeys the laws. Nothing he did warranted getting attacked.
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Killing an unarmed teenager being one of those things, in Florida, and Somalia.
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Just so I understand, is your fiancee's position that the President of the US is wilfully or negligently exacerbating what many perceive to be a racial conflict?

That's my position. It's also my position that the President is making a bold statement against one of the three 'sacred' levels of our government- the judicial system. Not smart for POTUS in my opinion.
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Killing an unarmed teenager being one of those things, in Florida, and Somalia.
Unarmed teenager shouldn't of started bashing someone who is armed head in then. If the teenager would of just walked away instead of going after armed man he probably would of still be alive.
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I disagree on this.

Regardless of whether Zimmerman did anything illegal, the profiling aspect is going to cause a lot of rage, and people want to feel vindicated. They won't get that through the court system, and rightfully so. Acknowledgement by the President, however, can go a long way.

Obama isn't telling people to kill whitey, he's telling people to direct their energy at fixing some of the underlying societal problems that led to this situation.

By acknowledging these issues, Obama can difuse things and hopefully avoid riots and other civil unrest. A lot of the time anger is about not being acknowledged.

Obama should keep his mouth shut and respect the judicial system, and encourage this already divided country to do the same.
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Unarmed teenager shouldn't of started bashing someone who is armed head in then. If the teenager would of just walked away instead of going after armed man he probably would of still be alive.
You're right unarmed teenagers just shouldn't go to the store in case they encounter a Zimmerman. Maybe they should just stay indoors and not go out at all.
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Obama should keep his mouth shut and respect the judicial system, and encourage this already divided country to do the same.
Presidents and the pawns are the ones who write the laws and change them, if Obama see's a flaw (which he does with gun laws) he should open his mouth..period.
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You're right unarmed teenagers just shouldn't go to the store in case they encounter a Zimmerman. Maybe they should just stay indoors and not go out at all.
The way you make absolutes it is almost like you were there. Was he on the way to the store? And why didn't he just say that? Or was he just trying to do it thru morse code with the guys head and he pavement? You are right there is probability that z is not telling the full truth, but it seems there is more things backing his version then the other versions where he is hitting the unarmed teenagers hands with his head...
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Obama should keep his mouth shut and respect the judicial system, and encourage this already divided country to do the same.
If only someone like Charlton Heston were president.
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Lol, read this,,,

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The way you make absolutes it is almost like you were there. Was he on the way to the store? And why didn't he just say that? Or was he just trying to do it thru morse code with the guys head and he pavement? You are right there is probability that z is not telling the full truth, but it seems there is more things backing his version then the other versions where he is hitting the unarmed teenagers hands with his head...
Now read this

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Unarmed teenager shouldn't of started bashing someone who is armed head in then. If the teenager would of just walked away instead of going after armed man he probably would of still be alive.
What a joke
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Lol, read this,,,



Now read this



What a joke
Was there not a witness of unarmed teenager on top of Z? I could be wrong I have been drinking so I could have read it wrong and there was no one witnessing the unarmed teenager on top mma style. And if I read it wrong my apologies.. Just seems more stuff backs armed guys story then unarmed guy's story. IMO
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You're right unarmed teenagers just shouldn't go to the store in case they encounter a Zimmerman. Maybe they should just stay indoors and not go out at all.
Your blabbering in this thread has been called out already. You are contributing nothing. You have ducked questions and spout random sentences that often make no sense.

The good news is you make it really clear that those who think Z is guilty are often wacky in their line of reasoning.
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Your blabbering in this thread has been called out already. You are contributing nothing. You have ducked questions and spout random sentences that often make no sense.

The good news is you make it really clear that those who think Z is guilty are often wacky in their line of reasoning.
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Was there not a witness of unarmed teenager on top of Z? I could be wrong I have been drinking so I could have read it wrong and there was no one witnessing the unarmed teenager on top mma style. And if I read it wrong my apologies.. Just seems more stuff backs armed guys story then unarmed guy's story. IMO
Yeah, unarmed guys story really didn't make a lot of sense,
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Presidents and the pawns are the ones who write the laws and change them, if Obama see's a flaw (which he does with gun laws) he should open his mouth..period.
I find it interesting that Obama would make a comment on how Martin could have been him years ago. Why make a comment on this case? Why not make a comment on the 60 murders so far in Kansas City Missouri? Why not make a comment on the crime in the black community, and how Kansas City for the second year in a row has the worst black on black crime rate in the nation? Or isn't that politically correct? Why was Zimmerman's gun and situation different other than he got caught/turned himself in? POTUS should busy himself with the nation's problems, and avoid knocking on the hornet's nest with the race card. Things are already bad enough. He's playing with fire with his comments.
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Moral of story if in states don't attack someone they are probably armed.
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Your blabbering in this thread has been called out already. You are contributing nothing. You have ducked questions and spout random sentences that often make no sense.

The good news is you make it really clear that those who think Z is guilty are often wacky in their line of reasoning.
We've been through this. I made 2 distinctly separate points and you got confused.
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Yeah, unarmed guys story really didn't make a lot of sense,
You may be right but unarmed guys story in this thread seems to be based on nothing more then what each individual poster wants it to be to back up there theory of what actually happened: at least with other story there is some sort of basis of what probably happened.
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