Flames Development Camp July 10th - 16th

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Anyone know what Baertschi's injury was? Why he missed the rest of the scrimmage?

I think he is still nursing a groin injury.

[Ashasx]

On Sven

Pat Steinberg ‏@Fan960Steinberg 15 Jul He said afterwards there's nothing to worry about. To paraphrase.

[Flames_F.T.W]

There's a lot of opinions on Monahan at the moment. Like others have stated, if he's ready, he should play. He's physically mature and defensively sound, so I think it's silly to automatically assume he should be sent back for another year with the 67s.
I've got my fingers crossed he can step in and contribute a la Couturier or O'Reilly.

On the flip side, if he's not ready and its obvious at training camp, he'll go back to the 67s... simple as that. Management won't rush him if he's not ready, no matter how much they want him as the face of the rebuild

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

They Flames shouldn't develop a player because they want to sell tickets this year, and I highly doubt they are. Someone else can easily dig this up cause I can't right away here but the Flames didn't go for an "NHL ready" choice, that quote by Feaster was just wrong. He qualified it after. Fans will show up through hard times if they know the team is trying to turn things around.

I'm more excited about the team this year, sans Monahan in the line up, then I've been in years.. and I realize it will be a tough one. I know Baertschi isn't the new bright toy anymore but he's only played 25 games and will be a young player a lot of general fans cling onto next year, especially if he pots some fun goals early on. If guys like him and Granlund score some exciting goals and guys like Reinhart, Buoma, Hanowski go out and battle hard people will show up.

That may not have been The condition by which they drafted, at all. I know it wasn't, but it was on their checklist. That was out there. They just backtracked on making it sound early on like it was a primary attribute. And Feaster did say multiple times that he "expected" Monahan would compete this fall to get on the roster. I'm just saying, I think they'll be more lenient on the level at which Monahan must perform to make the team than most here think. Cause I think they'd prefer him to be up here, if there isn't much for him at his other destination. And I think that applies on a wide range of players too. As Conroy said, if there's two guys tied even, they'll opt for the young guy. That alone told me a lot. So does Sean come in and do maybe not better, but as good as one of our top 9 players? I think he will.

Also, I don't think Baertschi will pot a lot of pretty goals this year. What I do think is that he'll notch a lot of pretty assists.. Don't know if anybody else has noticed, but he's shaping up to be a LOT more of a playmaker than goal scorer. Nothing wrong with that, but his ability to weave and thread a nice pass is definitely more developed than his shot at this point. Monahan looks to me like a two-way player, as well as a good trigger man, though. I think that if by chance those two play together at some point, there will be some nice results.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

On the flip side, if he's not ready and its obvious at training camp, he'll go back to the 67s... simple as that. Management won't rush him if he's not ready, no matter how much they want him as the face of the rebuild

And to be honest, I hope the Flames don't have a face of a rebuild... Next year we should have the opportunity to make the 2014 draft as exciting as 2013.

We should finish top 5 again and hopefully pick up at least another first round pick between now and deadline day '14.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

There's a lot of opinions on Monahan at the moment. Like others have stated, if he's ready, he should play. He's physically mature and defensively sound, so I think it's silly to automatically assume he should be sent back for another year with the 67s.
I've got my fingers crossed he can step in and contribute a la Couturier or O'Reilly.

On the flip side, if he's not ready and its obvious at training camp, he'll go back to the 67s... simple as that. Management won't rush him if he's not ready, no matter how much they want him as the face of the rebuild

I agree there is no way he is rushed if he looks way out of place. I do think after the pre-season and 9 games if management is kind of 50-50 on what they think is best I do think he will get the benefit of the doubt and stay.

The Flames will develop players the way they feel is right but I am sure they would love to allow the fans at the dome to watch the highest profile prospect this team has had since Dion.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

And to be honest, I hope the Flames don't have a face of a rebuild... Next year we should have the opportunity to make the 2014 draft as exciting as 2013.

We should finish top 5 again and hopefully pick up at least another first round pick between now and deadline day '14.

I remember being in Edmonton right before the season started in 10-11. They had the 3 rookies they were highly touting in Eberle, Hall, MPS. The Flames have the ability to do similar things this year and next. For instance this season they can show Sven and Monahan as the new young rookies and next year they can likely do that with the first round pick and Johnny Hockey. I think they sell the youth movement pretty hard this season and will want Monahan there to be the centrepiece.

Again he has to earn the spot but he will be given every opportunity possible to earn it.

[djsFlames]

Vinny gets it. As much as it is a team trying to bring itself back to respectability the right way, it's also a business and an entertainment one at that, and that will factor in this year. We don't even have a legitimate 1st line on this team. It's basically in shambles without some young future stars to draw attention to. Not saying they will guarantee him a spot, but they'll give him every opportunity possible to take it for himself and for the guys upstairs.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I remember being in Edmonton right before the season started in 10-11. They had the 3 rookies they were highly touting in Eberle, Hall, MPS. The Flames have the ability to do similar things this year and next. For instance this season they can show Sven and Monahan as the new young rookies and next year they can likely do that with the first round pick and Johnny Hockey. I think they sell the youth movement pretty hard this season and will want Monahan there to be the centrepiece.

Again he has to earn the spot but he will be given every opportunity possible to earn it.

Oh absolutely... but I don't think/hope they don't do that at the risk of hurting the prospect. Edmonton did that with Paajarvi and he wasn't physically ready yet and it hurt him. Yes the Flames will probably want to promote the youth but I truly don't think they will rush Monahan into it if they aren't ready.

I think you can do that this year, sans Monahan. Sven is still a guy you can promote big time, fans love him. If they have the plethora of young players that are potentially ready to play this year, you can do that. Then in 2014-2015 you have have Monahan, Gaudreau and whoever we maybe draft next year.

[djsFlames]

That would be Reinhart.

[TheGrimm]

Man, as much as I'd love to see the Flames turn it around quickly, there is pretty much no way this isn't a 4-5 year rebuild process we are looking at.

2013-14 = Baertschi
2014-15 = Monahan
2015-16 = Gaudreau/Jankowski
2016-17 = Reinhart/McDavid
2017-18 = Compete?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by TheGrimm

Man, as much as I'd love to see the Flames turn it around quickly, there is pretty much no way this isn't a 4-5 year rebuild process we are looking at.

2013-14 = Baertschi
2014-15 = Monahan
2015-16 = Gaudreau/Jankowski
2016-17 = Reinhart/McDavid
2017-18 = Compete?

Unlike say, the Oilers, the Flames already seem to have a plethora of decent pieces in place. The Oilers could have turned it around a lot quicker if they would have added support pieces and had good coaching/management. 4-5 years is so frigging long in the professional sports world. I could easily see the Flames being a competitive team in 2-3 years.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by TheGrimm

Man, as much as I'd love to see the Flames turn it around quickly, there is pretty much no way this isn't a 4-5 year rebuild process we are looking at.

2013-14 = Baertschi
2014-15 = Monahan
2015-16 = Gaudreau/Jankowski
2016-17 = Reinhart/McDavid
2017-18 = Compete?

I see us in the mix for Reinhart/Ekblad for sure ... but I just don't see us in the mix for McDavid. We'll be bad, but not quite that bad.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I could easily see the Flames being a competitive team in 2-3 years.

It's possible but I wouldn't count on it that quick. Goaltending is a question mark (no franchise goaltender) and we are placing a lot of hope on players that have yet to play in the NHL or ones that have just started out. Lots of unknowns and lets not forget that the Oilers have burned through a lot of bad coaching hires Quinn, Renney, Kreuger and if they got the coaching hire right the first time they may be a year or two further in their developement. I'm not sold that Hartley is the man for a rebuild considering how much of a disaster last season was and how impatient he was with rookies.

This team will need the right coach and a lot of these unproven young players to meet or surpass their potential or the Flames could just as well be the next Oilers, Jets, Jackets, etc that seem to wallow in mediocrity and failure.

[mdubz]

McDavid isn't eligible for draft for 2 more years...

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's possible but I wouldn't count on it that quick. Goaltending is a question mark (no franchise goaltender) and we are placing a lot of hope on players that have yet to play in the NHL or ones that have just started out. Lots of unknowns and lets not forget that the Oilers have burned through a lot of bad coaching hires Quinn, Renney, Kreuger and if they got the coaching hire right the first time they may be a year or two further in their developement. I'm not sold that Hartley is the man for a rebuild considering how much of a disaster last season was and how impatient he was with rookies.

This team will need the right coach and a lot of these unproven young players to meet or surpass their potential or the Flames could just as well be the next Oilers, Jets, Jackets, etc that seem to wallow in medioctrity and failure.

Absolutely, to be honest I think it's silly to predict either way.

re: Hartley, hoping he has a new mandate like Feaster seems to have. He was harder on the younger guys (Sven especially) because he seemed to be in the win now mode and defaulted to vets. Hopefully we see less of that. As Conroy said during the camp last week, the tie will go to the rookie player in camp over the veteran for a roster spot.

We'll see how it plays out.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by TheGrimm

Man, as much as I'd love to see the Flames turn it around quickly, there is pretty much no way this isn't a 4-5 year rebuild process we are looking at.

2013-14 = Baertschi
2014-15 = Monahan
2015-16 = Gaudreau/Jankowski
2016-17 = Reinhart/McDavid
2017-18 = Compete?

assuming many of the existing prospects pan out, the most glaring hole is a number 1 defenceman

[Freeway]

Play Bad For Ekblad.

[jg13]

Fall apart for Reinhart

[TheGrimm]

The point I am trying to make is that you really can't expect much from a prospect for the first couple of years in the league, and assuming we are in "collect mode" for the next couple of years, it could be 2-3 years after that before we realize the potential of a lot of our picks. Realistically bringing us to the 4-5 year timeline.

<shrug> It's not saying we won't be competitive prior, I hope we are, but it will take at least that long to hit our prime (if not longer).